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Re:Google says iMessage is too powerful by partiallypro on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @05:47PM (#29899453)
Minority phone maker? Apple is the biggest corporation on earth...and make up the majority of smart phone sales in the US. Yes they would have to give up a competitive advantage. That's the point.
Re:Google says iMessage is too powerful by ubermonkey on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @05:56PM (#29899583)
Yes. They are, by the plain meaning of the words, a minority player in mobile phone sales globally by a HUGE margin. The most recent data for 2021 suggest that sales for last were split pretty evenly in the US, but overall usage still heavily favors Android.

They DO have a much bigger footprint in some desirable segments of that market, but overall they're a minority player. By definition, minority players do not enjoy any monopolistic power. They are under no obligation to give up any competitive advantage until and unless they exhibit true, market-manipulating monopolistic behavior.

Re:Google says iMessage is too powerful by jacob019 on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @06:12PM (#29899785)
They are #2 globally, behind Samsung. 15.2% of the global smartphone market to Samsung's 20.8%. They are #1 in the US, 47% to Samsung's 34%. That is a dominant position. Apple would be wise to avoid the appearance of abusing that position and inviting regulatory oversight.
Re:Google says iMessage is too powerful by 2muchcoffeeman on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @08:43PM (#29901232)
I guess another way to look at it is by platform dominance though. Android is 85% globally. Apple is only a majority in some English speaking countries. And even then they barely have a majority. It’s a fairly even split between Apple and Android.

Most people I know are brand agnostic but platform loyal. Google could have captured half of all English speaking countries and 85% globally if not for their incompetence. They still could since here we are complaining about Google’s messaging apps.

Re:Google says iMessage is too powerful by ubermonkey on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @09:07AM (#29906446)
You're cherrypicking by conflating "manufacturer" with "operating system."

Yes, Apple has a bigger market share than ONE Android handset maker. But if you compare by platform, iOS is, in the US, more or less even with Android. Globally, it remains a small minority.

47% of a market is NOT a dominant position. It's a GOOD position, but it's not strong enough to control the market in ways that typically produce antitrust interest.

Re:Google says iMessage is too powerful by mthoms on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @06:12PM (#29899784)
Just because they don’t have a majority share of global sales doesn’t make them a “minority player”. That’s not really what that term means. The term “minority player” means they have less influence/importance than the “major players”.

Though, to be fair I can see how that could be confusing (because English).

Re:Google says iMessage is too powerful by ubermonkey on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @09:08AM (#29906459)
Wow, that's a rhetorical mess! "Minority doesn't mean minority" is some serious doublethink.

iOS is a minority player in the mobile phone market by a wide margin globally, and by a small margin in the US.

End of.

Re:Google says iMessage is too powerful by mthoms on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @06:40PM (#29914434)
I really think you're conflating the (subjective) expression about an entity being a "major/minor player" with the factual claim of a company having a majority or minority marketshare. They're different, but you're treating them the same. Hence, confusion.

Major Player: an important and successful company, especially when compared with other, smaller companies in the same type of business or industry. Source https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/major-pl...

Ergo, the vast majority of people would agree that Apple is a "major player" in the phone industry despite having a "minority marketshare".

PS. There's nothing wrong with the point you're making, I'm only pointing out that its confusing to others because of the terminology you're using.

Re:Google says iMessage is too powerful by partiallypro on Thursday January 13, 2022 @01:27PM (#29924569)
They are not a minority player in the US, which is what we are talking about. That's like arguing Facebook isn't a monopoly becaues it doesn't exist in China. It's a nonsense argument.
Re:Google says iMessage is too powerful by mindfulmore on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @05:54PM (#29899558)
Pretty sure OP meant that they're a minority in terms of market share. The number of Android phones being used is probably 5x that of iPhones.