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Re:LastPass appears to be holding users' passwords hostage by rodmena on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @02:02PM (#29896089)
I don't understand why people should use LastPass while there is this robust multiplatform and totally free "BitWarden" is available. Marketing power.
Re:LastPass appears to be holding users' passwords hostage by elric on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @03:05PM (#29897063)
I have quite a few gripes with Bitwarden, but I've never used LastPass so don't take this as a comparison.

1. Their auditing ("Event Logs") feature is unusable. It refers to items by some magical identifier which does not correspond to the name in the vault, e.g. "Viewed password for item ebabefac".

2. Payments by anything other than Credit Card are a mess, which is a serious pain if you have a lot of users. It took us weeks and many support interactions to get something as trivial as a bank transfer sorted.

3. It's still (!) lacking a feature to actually send people passwords ... as in sysadmin creates some account for a user, presses a magical button in BW, and it ends up in the user's vault (or maybe they get a message and are asked to import it, whatever). BW recommends you use the "Send" feature, which is basically a glorified pastebin.

4. The UX is .... not great. Organization vs Personal Collection view is confusing. Every time we onboard a new user we get questions about how they should store personal passwords.

It works well enough, but I don't think the enterprise plan is worth the 60/user/year price tag.

Re:LastPass appears to be holding users' passwords hostage by creshal on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @03:53PM (#29897687)
> 1. Their auditing ("Event Logs") feature is unusable. It refers to items by some magical identifier which does not correspond to the name in the vault, e.g. "Viewed password for item ebabefac".

Names and all other identifiers can be changed freely, so Bitwarden refers to passwords by their unchangeable UUID, so you can keep track of an entry across any such changes.

What bitwarden lacks is an easy way to search for passwords by UUID, but that's a rather minor UX improvement.

> It's still (!) lacking a feature to actually send people passwords ...

Yeah, that surprised me as well. Back in 2014 or so we added magic password://uuid links to our internal password management tool, you can just send people the link, and when they clicked it, it opened that particular password, as long as they had access. I would've expected the competition to have picked up on it ages ago, but c'est la vie.

For exchanging passwords with external users, Send is reasonable enough IMO.

> The UX is .... not great.

Agreed. But given that everything else is solid and open source, I'll take it over any competitors, or continuing maintenance of our own tool, which quickly gets a whole lot more expensive...

Re:LastPass appears to be holding users' passwords hostage by Qub3d on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @03:36PM (#29897463)
I wonder, if you are self-hosted, have you tried the rust implementation? https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden

It may have better auditing (though I confess I just pay for hosted so I can't say for sure).

Re:LastPass appears to be holding users' passwords hostage by creshal on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @03:56PM (#29897731)
It has no auditing capability at all currently, cf. https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden/issues/246
Re:LastPass appears to be holding users' passwords hostage by misnome on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @02:13PM (#29896256)
I switched to BitWarden when they dropped the subscription requirement for mobile, continued charging for my subscription for over a year and then announced they’d start charging again.

It’s… fine, but many areas of integration with browser and on iOS are significantly less polished and pleasant to use. Things like credit cards are entirely manual on iOS. It’s definitely a worse experience on the convenience side.

That, and even though it’s relatively easy to migrate, it’s even easier to not spend the effort reworking your workflows and ways you use password tools.

Re:LastPass appears to be holding users' passwords hostage by camtarn on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @02:52PM (#29896861)
> it’s even easier to not spend the effort reworking your workflows and ways you use password tools.

Yeah, this. I've been using LastPass since 2012 - four years before BitWarden even existed. BitWarden actually looks excellent and I'm tempted to switch, but the easiest thing is just to not do anything.

Re:LastPass appears to be holding users' passwords hostage by barreira on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @03:00PM (#29896990)
Although I understand your point from a psychological point of view, in my experience switching from LP to BW was an easy task.You can create a temporary CSV to export your Lastpass vault and import it in Bitwarden. It takes 2 minutes maybe. The rest is just switching which app you use to fetch your passwords.

Although that was prior to the shenanigans this post's article talks about.

Re:LastPass appears to be holding users' passwords hostage by nacs on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @03:04PM (#29897042)
I thought it would be time consuming too but it's literally just 1 minute to sign up for an account, export from Lastpass and a 2 click import into Bitwarden.

It transferred EVERYTHING -- passwords, notes, credit cards etc. It's super easy.

Re:LastPass appears to be holding users' passwords hostage by synthc on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @09:53AM (#29907062)
Yeah this was also my experience. I expected a world of hurt when migrating to Bitwarden but it just worked!
Re:LastPass appears to be holding users' passwords hostage by teej on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @03:47PM (#29897609)
“Totally free” is not a benefit. I want a transactional relationship with a company that will compel them to help me when things go wrong.
Re:LastPass appears to be holding users' passwords hostage by GekkePrutser on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @04:18PM (#29898080)
You have the option of paying for BitWarden if you prefer :)

But everyone that I know that uses it, hosts their own anyway (I don't agree with Moxie's thing of "people don't want to host their own servers and never will - clearly not true for some people). But that was beside the point anyway, open server design means you can choose who runs your server for you.

Re:LastPass appears to be holding users' passwords hostage by Cort3z on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @04:18PM (#29898084)
They have compelling premium plans fairly cheap. In my opinion it's a more trustworthy relationship because their software is open source and is fairly straight forward to host yourself if they start misbehaving. No such option on most alternatives.
Re:LastPass appears to be holding users' passwords hostage by andreareina on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @09:34PM (#29901586)
I'd be ok paying for BW, the issue for me is not knowing what's going to happen if they close down or decide to pull a LastPass. So I've transferred my stuff to KeepassXC and been pretty happy with the ux. Having to deal with syncing the password database across devices is a bit of a pain but it's one of the things I absolutely need control over.
Re:LastPass appears to be holding users' passwords hostage by Closi on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @05:20PM (#29898981)
Try 1Password - Great app and I can vouch that they help you when things go wrong (because things went wrong for me and they went above and beyond to help).
Re:LastPass appears to be holding users' passwords hostage by blakesley on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @05:09PM (#29898824)
Previous commenter should have said "freemium" instead
Re:LastPass appears to be holding users' passwords hostage by jscohn85 on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @02:11PM (#29896230)
Re:LastPass appears to be holding users' passwords hostage by Qub3d on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @03:39PM (#29897502)
They have added custom fields at some point, because my AWS is autofilling the account ID with one: https://i.imgur.com/Ark4XH9.png
Re:LastPass appears to be holding users' passwords hostage by staticassertion on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @03:38PM (#29897491)
LastPass has been around for a very long time. I'm still using it because I haven't had much reason to migrate and I installed it probably a decade or more ago.
Re:LastPass appears to be holding users' passwords hostage by isoskeles on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @03:02PM (#29897017)
Lack of information. LastPass was also relatively decent software for a while. I only stopped using it two years ago, but also noticed at the time that they have significant marketing efforts compared to the competition.

It seems like LastPass is angling to become the AOL of password managers, and by that I mean they want a bunch of old customers who never bother to switch to something better.

Re:LastPass appears to be holding users' passwords hostage by leokennis on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @02:22PM (#29896420)
At any rate there is no reason to use LastPass. There must be tens of password managers all geared towards a different kind of user and all better than LastPass.
Re:LastPass appears to be holding users' passwords hostage by mpalczewski on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @02:19PM (#29896370)
You can also grab a raspberry pi and self host.