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Re:More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’ by barbazoo on Monday January 10, 2022 @03:05PM (#29881269)
According to [1] Mr Malone said "mRNA vaccine technology I created" which is not true as far as I can find tell. He did work on mRNA technology decades ago but didn't invent mRNA vaccines. He also states that "The first is that a viral gene will be injected into your children's cells. This gene forces your child’s body to make toxic spike proteins.". What does that even mean, a "viral gene"? Toxic spike proteins? Sounds like fear mongering to me given how it's worded.

Furthermore he states that "These proteins *often* cause permanent damage in children’s critical organs, including -Their brain and nervous system -Their heart and blood vessels, including blood clots -Their reproductive system, and -This vaccine can trigger fundamental changes to their immune system" There is absolutely no data supporting any of this as far as I can find.

Should we trust this person?

[1] https://globalcovidsummit.org/news/live-stream-event-physici...

Re:More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’ by hunterb123 on Monday January 10, 2022 @06:39PM (#29884733)
> which is not true as far as I can find tell. He did work on mRNA technology decades ago but didn't invent mRNA vaccines.

It was removed from wikipedia, but here's an archived version:

https://web.archive.org/web/20210614140319/https://en.wikipe...

He invented the initial platform and performed the first mRNA vaccine experiments in 1989.

There's 9 patents in his name for the platforms and his name is all over the original experiments.

I don't think the powers at be can memory hole him that easily.

> What does that even mean, a "viral gene"? Toxic spike proteins?

What he's getting at is, the spike protein the vaccine makes you generate enters the heart and other organs easily and causes damage.

The spike protein itself is potentially toxic to us and causing myocarditis. There is evidence of that, how widespread is disputed.

Whether "long covid" is a symptom of this spike protein toxicity, vaccine induced or natural, is unclear.

Many many things related to covid, some taboo, some not, are yet to be determined.

> Should we trust this person?

Should we trust media reporters and random people slinging mud on the internet, I doubt it.

In this field, we should listen to him, yes, not shun him, as he has relevant domain knowledge which is clearly verifiable.

Trust implies faith, why are you "trusting" scientists? You should listen and verify.

The fact you are attacking him and not trying to disprove what he is saying is suspect.

Re:More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’ by barbazoo on Monday January 10, 2022 @09:30PM (#29886555)
The wiki link you posted is the only version mentioning his name prominently. Neither before (https://web.archive.org/web/20210530162316/https://en.wikipe...) nor after. So I wouldn't call it "scrubbing". It'd be like me putting my name in there and calling it scrubbing when the next person removes it.

I trust consensus I guess but I'm not an expert in any of this at all so my ability to verify anything is quite limited. I might have made a mistake here but I'm still not convinced he's trustworthy.

Re:More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’ by hunterb123 on Monday January 10, 2022 @10:35PM (#29887149)
I didn't call it scrubbing. I made a vague comment about memory holing him but that was a reference to the Twitter ban, Wikipedia removal, etc. in general.

A scientist isn't trustworthy or not, their work speaks for itself. He invented the original mRNA platform. He was a key scientist in the first mRNA vaccine experiments.

Re:More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’ by barbazoo on Monday January 10, 2022 @10:48PM (#29887275)
He's making statements about the severity and frequency of side effects in children that I just can't find any proof for. That disqualifies him in my opinion until I can find data supporting his claims.

Until then, for me, he's in the same corner as others hanging out with right-wing extremists [1] spreading misinformation.

[1] https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-m...

Re:More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’ by hunterb123 on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @06:41AM (#29890273)
That propaganda hit piece was already posted elsewhere and I commented:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29881075

Please be specific which statement you disagree with.

Re:More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’ by barbazoo on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @09:02PM (#29901366)
Not sure what you mean by propaganda hit piece but you seem to be having some kind of beef with The Atlantic. I can easily verify what's written in there. He was on Tucker Carlson (1) and Steve Bannon (2), it's not easy to find him talking to non right wing extremists. That's all I said and all I referenced the article for.

If you're referring to the statements about child vaccine side effects, I mentioned those in my earlier comment.

(1) https://www.foxnews.com/media/tucker-carlson-mrna-vaccine-in...

(2) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=00BKcx3HO0Q

Re:More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’ by SailingSperm on Monday January 10, 2022 @08:34PM (#29885947)
The terminology 'viral gene' is not a made up fear mongering term... It's a plainly descriptive term. It is an encoding for a protein of a virus, in this case the modified c19 spike protein.

Also with regards to fundamental changes to the immune system - this is also true.

""" See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_antigenic_sin

Original antigenic sin, also known as antigenic imprinting or the Hoskins effect,[1] refers to the propensity of the body's immune system to preferentially utilize immunological memory based on a previous infection when a second slightly different version of that foreign pathogen (e.g. a virus or bacterium) is encountered. This leaves the immune system "trapped" by the first response it has made to each antigen, and unable to mount potentially more effective responses during subsequent infections """

Re:More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’ by quelltext on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @03:20AM (#29888941)
> Also with regards to fundamental changes to the immune system - this is also true.

As far as I understand (from the wikipedia article) the Hoskins effect (also) applies if you simply got infected once. It's not something specific to the vaccine.

Claiming the "vaccine causes a fundamental change" is a bit misleading. The vaccine OR infective exposure have the described effect, which is normal! And altering the immune system to prepare it for future infections is the point of any vaccine, isn't it?

Now, one might say that it's not good to vaccinate everyone so that there remains a population that can get freshly infected with new variants and build up immunity fresh. But they'd then be altering their immune system by the response to that as well, if they don't die from the infection.