How about Emmanuel Macron, french prime minister, wanting to "...piss them off. And we will continue to do this, to the end. This is the strategy.”"

This is violence?

@torstenvl:

> What level of state-sponsored violence is justifiable to further reduce that risk?

@oauea:

> What violence?

torstenvl was specifically referring to state vaccine "mandates". Any state mandate must be enforced through violence or it has no effect.

Lest you believe that state mandates do not require violence, consider what happens if people refuse the vaccine. You can order them to get daily tests, but what if they refuse that? Eventually physical force (violence) will be required.

> Any state mandate must be enforced through violence or it has no effect.

I don't see how that is really true. The state can, for example, refuse to provide you services if you're not vaccinated. If you're not allowed to enter a government building while unvaccinated without a justification, so as not to endanger the civil servants in that building, I'd hardly call that "violence".

Any real world examples?

Getting people fired from their jobs because they didn't want the vax is a form of state power. State power is ultimately backed up with police and prisons, where violence by them on you is legal.

Australia is forcibly imprisoning people in quarantine facilities.

Throw shit at the police and they're going to react. Pretty normal and expected and has nothing to do with covid.

Preventing them from going to the bar without a mask?