How? Doctors turn into actors and cheat the public. Anecdotally, my relatives say they were never treated for COVID, but told that they needed admission because they have high risks(diabetes, respiratory troubles, high blood pressure) and need to be monitored in order to make sure COVID is treated early. After 4 days of a battery of tests(non COVID related), they are sent home saying they escaped the wrath of COVID because they were lucky. I don’t know what to say.
A doctor who has even a small kickback on prescriptions from a pharmaceutical company is completely out of the question in my book at least.
In places without socialized medical coverage and low levels of ethical integrity (unfortunately, too many places in the world - especially impoverished states), the answer is "money".
Are doctors "persuading" patients that they need care, and the problem is lack of information about what rights you have to actually refuse, or information about what the symptoms would be etc?
”A medical clinic owner defrauded the Commonwealth of more than $3.3 million by claiming rebates for services not given to over 5,870 different patients.”
Why are you moving goal posts?
Clearly fantasy.
Not sure what your point is.
That’s nearly half the US population.
No private parties at all.
Europe is a big place with many different types of systems. What you're describing sounds like the UK. But places like NL[1] or DE[2] are more like Medicare/aid for all (basic coverage) + Obamacare (mandatory private insurance, sometimes supplementary). The providers may be private practitioners.
NB: I'm not an expert in these systems so I may have gotten some details wrong. My main point is that "European healthcare" isn't a monolith and it's not all state-owned.
Because of those facts, I have trouble even formulating a response to your question - it doesn't make sense to me.
Of all the developed countries, only America treats its non-rich citizens so harshly. Your implied advice that poor people should "just work harder and make more money!" isn't very useful.
All I'm saying is it isn't equitable for one person (who could have not worked a day in their life) to be handed health care on a silver platter while I work the better part of a week to pay for it for my family. Do you not understand many on public health care don't have to work for the better part of a week to receive benefits, and never have? I'm not talking about old people who spent 40 years paying into the system.
If you continued working the same job you have now, but at $7.50/hr, would it be fair to characterize your receiving the same health care you receive now as being handed to you on a silver platter?
And nothing says generous and polite by making the lying, vicious claim that I've assumed ' the poor in America aren't working hard' and that I implied 'that poor people should just work harder and make more money!' It's purely fiction designed to paint me as the evil denigrator of the poor.
>The fact is that plenty of the "poor" work as much as you do, but you think they're somehow enslaving you because you get paid more.
'The fact' that both of you have to put words in my mouth (or alleged thoughts) to make your argument speaks volumes here.
>If you continued working the same job you have now, but at $7.50/hr, would it be fair to characterize your receiving the same health care you receive now as being handed to you on a silver platter?
By handed on a silver platter I was referring to someone capable of working, but who requests (and is handed) health care for free without performing any labor at all at the expense of someone working and paying an involuntary tax. I never said that was all or even most poor. I'm not referring to the poor person making 7.50 buying their own private health insurance. There's probably an argument from some perspective that 'equitable' could mean everyone works the same amount of labor (20 hours or whatever) per month to pay for healthcare, although I'm not sure even that would precisely be equitable. One able bodied person of equal insurance risk pool to another working BOTH more hours AND paying more for same insurance would certainly sound inequitable.
> One person being handed health care on a silver platter while I work the better part of a week to pay for it for my family doesn't sound equitable to me. reply
This exactly implies that if only those poor people worked a "better part of a week to pay for it" like you did, they wouldn't be getting their health care served on a silver platter. Not a straw man.
Of course if you compensate providers for health care through the fruit of your labor and investments, you've earned it and it hasn't been provided to you on a silver platter; I don't think anyone is disputing that.
>This exactly implies that if only those poor people worked a "better part of a week to pay for it" like you did, they wouldn't be getting their health care served on a silver platter.
See my response below:
By handed on a silver platter I was referring to someone capable of working, but who requests (and is handed) health care for free without performing any labor at all at the expense of someone working and paying an involuntary tax. I never said that was all or even most poor. I'm not referring to the poor person making 7.50 buying their own private health insurance. There's probably an argument from some perspective that 'equitable' could mean everyone works the same amount of labor (20 hours or whatever) per month to pay for healthcare, although I'm not sure even that would precisely be equitable. One able bodied person of equal insurance risk pool to another working BOTH more hours AND paying more for same insurance would certainly sound inequitable.
a. They are asked to get admitted "for observation because they are at high risk". If they ask to leave, the doctors ask them to sign a very scary sounding wavier disclaiming the hospital of responsibility for their death.
b. There apparently this one lab that will return a positive covid test if the docs ask them to and they get a cut of what the patient pays.
It needs to be said that I don't know if any of these are true.
Why would hospitals admit someone who isn't actually in need of care? If you need hospital care for Covid, it's (almost exclusively) because you need supplemental oxygen, and that's something that's pretty hard to fake.
Edit: the question is: how are these hospitalizations actually done practically. Are doctors faking diagnoses (e.g. hypoxia), convincing patients they need care, which they are persuaded to accept? Or are patients forcibly admitted without being asked?