Europe Is Entering a Death Spiral: How Immigrants Can Save It

Re:Europe Is Entering a Death Spiral: How Immigrants Can Sav... by ng12 on Monday January 10, 2022 @03:42AM (#29872000)

It always shocks me that the first proposed solution is to import young people from somewhere else rather than encourage existing citizens to have kids.

Actually... I take that back. It's not shocking at all. Immigrants are free and subsidizing childcare is expensive.

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Re:Europe Is Entering a Death Spiral: How Immigrants Can Sav... by Overtonwindow on Monday January 10, 2022 @07:48AM (#29873974)

From an American perspective, I have always thought of it in terms of votes. Those are future voters, especially for the party that encourage them to immigrate.

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Re:Europe Is Entering a Death Spiral: How Immigrants Can Sav... by rich_sasha on Monday January 10, 2022 @04:03AM (#29872148)

It’s also the delay loop. If today I magically encourage people to have children, it’s 19 years until they hit 18, and probably another 5 until they are on average net productive. Also change doesn’t happen that quickly, so really a concerted effort today will maybe pay off in 25 years time.

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Re:Europe Is Entering a Death Spiral: How Immigrants Can Sav... by ng12 on Monday January 10, 2022 @04:25PM (#29882799)

Fair enough, but a sensible thing would be to do both.

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Re:Europe Is Entering a Death Spiral: How Immigrants Can Sav... by maxdesalle on Monday January 10, 2022 @05:08AM (#29872614)

Fully agree with you.

But unfortunately, it takes a whole generation before childcare measures pay off.

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