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Re:Do climate models predict extreme weather? by diamondlovesyou on Saturday January 08, 2022 @11:24PM (#29860081)
I address this mostly to this comment's siblings: the fact that you're upset about the lying bit only reinforces labster's point. I say this based on the comments thinking that the lie is actually meant to deceive, getting distracted with the word "lie" and its connotations, and missing the broader issue. The issue is that the general population can't be reasonably expected to understand how climate change works, and how statistics play out in climate change modeling. Unless the message is dead simple, the message will be lost.

What the "lie" "really" says is subtextural/etc: to those that need to hear it, it says what it needs to say to get them to understand what needs to be done (and, importantly, isn't wrong, just isn't the whole picture either); to those that already know the answer, you didn't need to hear the lie in the first place. There is no deceit.

Climate change needs participation from everyone, and, for better or worse, everyone includes a majority of, eh-hem, less-than brilliant people. We need them to understand regardless of our own righteousness.

Re:Do climate models predict extreme weather? by generalizations on Saturday January 08, 2022 @11:30PM (#29860122)
> to those that need to hear it, it says what it needs to say to get them to understand what needs to be done

This only works if truth is used. The labster seems to be assuming they have credibility; but if they're lying, or if they're associated with liars, they'll lose it (if they haven't already).

Re:Do climate models predict extreme weather? by labster on Sunday January 09, 2022 @12:38AM (#29860544)
That’s not really true. Anyone who has ever taught a freshman physics class is a bald-faced liar. We are absolutely certain Newtonian mechanics does not represent our universe. Yet for some reason we do not assume physicists lack credibility, even though we know for a fact that thousands upon thousands of physicists are teaching an entire semester of lies.

The lies are useful for making good decisions, though. I offer the same. A simplification that does not quite represent reality, but you should 100% consider it anyway if you build a bridge, because it will save you a world of hurt in the future.

Re:Do climate models predict extreme weather? by vorpalhex on Sunday January 09, 2022 @01:15AM (#29860775)
"Newtonian physics is an accurate model of atomic scale physics, and that is what we will be teaching in this class" is not a lie, well within the understanding of a freshman, and very accurate. It might be worth discussing briefly when you need non-newtonian physics!
Re:Do climate models predict extreme weather? by kuhewa on Sunday January 09, 2022 @03:30AM (#29861456)
Sure, but if you have a semester to talk statistics and climate modelling, you will be able to caveat the information with plenty of 'this has been simplified' warnings.
Re:Do climate models predict extreme weather? by vorpalhex on Sunday January 09, 2022 @06:10PM (#29868402)
That seems fine. I don't see any problem here. You can also put those caveats with public talks.