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Re:Approved Cameras by dylan604 on Saturday January 08, 2022 @06:56PM (#29858021)
It was always standard to acquire at higher resolution than being delivered. Hell, they shot 35mm film for SD for decades, 16mm for non-extravagent budgets.

The first use of 4k wasn't for 4k delivery, but for single camera shoot of talking head reframing. Full frame for the wide, cropped in for the MED/CU shots. Larger image also allows for cleaner image stabilization. Allows for more detail on pulling keys in post, etc.

There are lots of benefits from larger image than delivery.

Re:Approved Cameras by kunai on Saturday January 08, 2022 @07:13PM (#29858210)
> Hell, they shot 35mm film for SD for decades

I'm not sure this is the case. Low-ISO cinema 35mm film (like Kodak VisionT 50D/250D) far exceeds SD resolution. How do you think Star Wars was ever scanned into 4k? Or 2001: A Space Odyssey? Film captures highlight detail logarithmically as well, while digital sensors still haven't really figured out how to render highlights well. This allows greater shadow detail with a skilled cinematographer with no loss of quality in brightly lit scenes. Theoretically, a single 35mm still can be scanned into 4k with no loss in detail, and higher-resolution scans won't lose quality -- there's just dimishing returns and in the end you might just be getting higher-res grain, but it is a far cry from standard definition.

Even 16mm can do HD scans just fine.

There's a reason Tarantino, Wes Anderson, PTA, Nolan, Sam Raimi, Scorsese, Spielberg, and David Lynch still swear by film (even though many of these directors have dabbled with digital). The idea that film is inherently "low-res" is a really frustrating and common misconception among younger generations unfamiliar with the technology. I find it kind of unbelievable that DPs would shoot 35mm just for an SD scan. That type of use case seems better suited for mini-DV or other contemporary video formats.

Re:Approved Cameras by dylan604 on Saturday January 08, 2022 @07:26PM (#29858331)
Maybe you misinterpretted what I was meaning. What you quoted from my post was meant as saying they took all of the image from a 35mm frame just to shoot a measly SD image. That's like shooting 4k to deliver SD. It's seemingly way overkill.

>That type of use case seems better suited for mini-DV or other contemporary video formats.

You realize that people were shooting film for TV production long long before DV was ever invented right?

Re:Approved Cameras by kalleboo on Sunday January 09, 2022 @06:31AM (#29862363)
> I find it kind of unbelievable that DPs would shoot 35mm just for an SD scan. That type of use case seems better suited for mini-DV or other contemporary video formats

Lots of shows were filmed on 35mm. For example, Star Trek: The Original Series and Star Trek: The Next Generation were filmed on 35mm, so in modern times they've been able to re-scan them and make HD Blu-ray releases. I believe shooting direct to video for anything higher budget than daytime soap operas didn't become commonplace until the mid-90's.

Re:Approved Cameras by rbanffy on Saturday January 08, 2022 @08:04PM (#29858629)
> Hell, they shot 35mm film for SD for decades, 16mm for non-extravagent budgets.

This probably was also to deal with period TV cameras. Video cameras of that time couldn’t deal with bright lights and had terrible dynamic range. CCDs improved this a lot. Direct to video productions looked cheap.

Re:Approved Cameras by glandium on Saturday January 08, 2022 @07:18PM (#29858258)
> Hell, they shot 35mm film for SD for decades

They shot 35mm for the big screen.

Re:Approved Cameras by dylan604 on Saturday January 08, 2022 @07:22PM (#29858289)
Primetime TV shows were shot 35mm. Lower budget was shot on 16mm.

They weren't doing for screen size considerations. It's just what they had. You shot 35/16 or you shot video (shudder).