Re:Turkmenistan's leader wants 'Gates of Hell' fire put out
by Breazy on Saturday January 08, 2022 @04:01PM
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From what I understand (after reading the wikipedia page about it) the crater probably isn't putting out much more methane than the rest of the ground in the surrounding area. Wikipedia says the flames are seen there because the shape of the crater allows the gas to accumulate into concentrations that support flames, while in the rest of the area the gas leaking from the ground is rapidly diluted by the wind, but is nevertheless being released.
Looking at the thing, this makes some sense to me. There are flames coming out the side of the walls of the crater all along the perimeter, from only a few meters below where the surface of the ground would be. The gas is obviously very shallow below ground in that region, and unless the top layer of soil is impermeable to gas I think a ton of it must be leaking out all over the area.
Re:Turkmenistan's leader wants 'Gates of Hell' fire put out
by toomuchtodo on Saturday January 08, 2022 @03:39PM
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Doesn’t seem too big to cap with a concrete dome rolled in place on rails (similar to the Chernobyl sarcophagus install), with the methane captured and burned off (perhaps even used for electrical generation).
Re:Turkmenistan's leader wants 'Gates of Hell' fire put out
by IndrekR on Saturday January 08, 2022 @06:09PM
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The Chernobyl New Safe Confinement took abot 8 years to build at near 2B USD cost[1]. If fire is put out, a simple geoengineering tarp with piping underneath and dirt on top will do the job. Those are used a lot in covering up old landfills to capture the gas and avoid water leaking in.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_New_Safe_Confinement
Re:Turkmenistan's leader wants 'Gates of Hell' fire put out
by cbsmith on Saturday January 08, 2022 @05:20PM
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Isn't that effective like what the crater is currently doing? It's effectively already concentrating the methane and burning it off before it fills the atmosphere.
Re:Turkmenistan's leader wants 'Gates of Hell' fire put out
by Terry_Roll on Saturday January 08, 2022 @06:56PM
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Dig a deep enough ditch around it to cut off the fuel. I'm sure Bob the Builder could do an excellent job for not alot!
Re:Turkmenistan's leader wants 'Gates of Hell' fire put out
by Dylan16807 on Saturday January 08, 2022 @03:41PM
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Or, like, a tarp, but either way you have to worry about the gas going around if you're not capturing it just right.
Re:Turkmenistan's leader wants 'Gates of Hell' fire put out
by toomuchtodo on Saturday January 08, 2022 @03:42PM
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Can a tarp withstand the heat currently generated? I suppose any material with high heat resistance, low weight, and not too gas permeable would do. Snuff the fire (once capped, it should naturally burn out from a lack of available oxygen), pump and productively burn the gas.
Re:Turkmenistan's leader wants 'Gates of Hell' fire put out
by Dylan16807 on Saturday January 08, 2022 @03:46PM
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Since this comment chain was about the worry of methane release after stopping the fire, I'm assuming the fire would already be put out if necessary.
Re:Turkmenistan's leader wants 'Gates of Hell' fire put out
by i_am_proteus on Saturday January 08, 2022 @04:05PM
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Perhaps there is a nearby source of sand.
Methane is apparently 33x worse for warming (over a century) than CO2:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2014/02/methane-burned-vs-me...