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Re:Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies int... by TaylorAlexander on Friday January 07, 2022 @05:43AM (#29837553)
White supremacy is the belief that white people and whiteness should hold power over black and brown people.

No one in my social circles uses “wokeness” at all, certainly never seriously. It always seems like people upset at “wokeness” are actually just upset that people producing popular media support very simple concepts of diversity. Like when black actors get representation in media previously dominated by white people, to me that is just a good thing, but I see reports that many think this is “wokeness”, which they think is bad. This ultimately reveals that they simply do not like it when white people have to share space with people of other skin tones. Their concerns always seem to me to be… misplaced. In other instances the person may be unhappy about female representation, or trans, queer and non-binary representation. Those are all thinks I think are great. I’m non-binary and it’s really meaningful to me. So when someone calls those things “wokeism” I don’t actually see “wokeism” as the problem I see that persons ideas as the problem.

Hope that answers your questions!

Re:Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies int... by CodeGlitch on Friday January 07, 2022 @06:39AM (#29837917)
> Like when black actors get representation in media previously dominated by white people, to me that is just a good thing, but I see reports that many think this is “wokeness”, which they think is bad.

In the 90s Will Smith starred in Independence Day, and absolutely no one complained (as far as I know) because Will Smith is awesome and he deserved the role. See also Blade from the same era.

People get upset when it's clear that a person has been chosen for a role/position just because of their skin colour/gender/sexuality rather than their talent. I can't actually think of any movies that have done this, but plenty of TV shows (Star Trek Discovery).

Obviously some roles require the person to be of a certain race for it to appear authentic. Lots of older films used white actors for middle Eastern roles, which is seen as "white washing" and is therefore wrong. The latest Ghost in the Shell race swapped the main character to be American, and was rightly called out for doing so.

Basically we should be allowed to criticize both ways...

Re:Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies int... by SuoDuanDao on Friday January 07, 2022 @11:42AM (#29841290)
>I can't actually think of any movies that have done this

The Dark Tower was a sore spot for me. The protagonist was a character inspired by Clint Eastwood and was depicted as fair skinned in every piece of cover art and spinoff before Idris Elba was cast in the role. Blackwashing a character fans of the story all imagined as white really underscored how little appreciation the movie makers had for the source material.

Re:Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies int... by scollet on Friday January 07, 2022 @01:22PM (#29842698)
It really changes nothing.
Re:Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies int... by mpalmer on Friday January 07, 2022 @08:08AM (#29838659)
Look I hate Discovery as much as the next guy but are you really saying that some of the women or POC on that show are worse actors than the white men that would have been cast a few decades ago? Is Discovery the only Star Trek show you've seen?
Re:Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies int... by CodeGlitch on Friday January 07, 2022 @08:21AM (#29838753)
I watched and loved TNG and DS9.

I'm not sure any amount of acting talent could save Discovery. The problem is the writing.

Re:Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies int... by foldr on Friday January 07, 2022 @07:20AM (#29838229)
A quick bit of Googling suggests that plenty of people did not feel too positively about making a movie with a black lead:

https://www.indiewire.com/2021/07/independence-day-studio-re...

In this case, though, the roles are reversed. The supposedly "woke" studio system didn't want to put a black guy in the lead, whereas the public were more open to the idea.

Re:Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies int... by 4ggr0 on Friday January 07, 2022 @07:40AM (#29838410)
> People get upset when it's clear that a person has been chosen for a role/position just because of their skin colour/gender/sexuality

Could you prove to us in some way that these actors are chosen because of their skin colour/gender/sexuality, and not because of their skills?