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Re:Illicit activity a tiny part of cryptocurrency use by periheli0n on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:16PM (#29830285)
What is the methodology behind determining whether crypto transactions were illicit? I thought the whole point of using crypto was that transactions could not be traced.

Edit: The report seems to imply that they somehow identified "illicit addresses", but do not say how. Perhaps I'm too scientific but I would really like to see a "Methods" section in this report. The lack of that makes it very difficult to draw reliably conclusions from that piece.

Re:Illicit activity a tiny part of cryptocurrency use by anonporridge on Thursday January 06, 2022 @05:12PM (#29831086)
> I thought the whole point of using crypto was that transactions could not be traced.

A commonly believed false narrative. Bitcoin transactions are intrinsically more traceable and verifiably incorruptable than anything that exists in the traditional financial world, which is teaming with fraud and criminal behavior, both explicitly illegal and criminal behavior sanctioned by government insiders.

The hidden message from Satoshi in the genesis block gives a better foundation for the reason they created it. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Genesis_block

> The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks

Privacy lovers are mostly using Monero now.

Re:Illicit activity a tiny part of cryptocurrency use by periheli0n on Thursday January 06, 2022 @05:24PM (#29831279)
Yes, of course that's what the blockchain is about, but there is usually no information attached to a transaction that would identify it as illicit, like a note saying "this was for banned substances", "thank you for placing the bomb", or "Enjoy your new superyacht, Sergej". Therefore it is not possible to trace illicit transactions, unless one defines illicit as referring solely to using stolen crypto.
Re:Illicit activity a tiny part of cryptocurrency use by anonporridge on Thursday January 06, 2022 @07:22PM (#29832790)
Isn't the same true of traditional finance and cash?
Re:Illicit activity a tiny part of cryptocurrency use by periheli0n on Friday January 07, 2022 @01:28AM (#29835723)
In principle yes, but at least for wire transfers the autorities can walk up to the bank and ask for transaction details. And cash needs physical transfer which complicates things.

Either way, it is difficult to determine which transactions are illicit, also in traditional finance.

Re:Illicit activity a tiny part of cryptocurrency use by NovemberWhiskey on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:21PM (#29830374)
That's not the point at all - every transaction on a distributed ledger can be tracked. It's not necessary to know ownership of an account to know whether a transaction is illicit; for example, a theft from an exchange or a hack on a DeFi contract.
Re:Illicit activity a tiny part of cryptocurrency use by pydry on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:24PM (#29830418)
It depends on the crime. If I bought drugs on a darknet exchange how would the researcher know to include that in the 0.15%?

They don't. Not unless, e.g. that exchange gets busted and leaks all of its data.

This title should really be "easily identified illicit transactions constitute 0.15% of trading volume".

Which I'd say counts as a lot.

Re:Illicit activity a tiny part of cryptocurrency use by spicybright on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:25PM (#29830434)
Those kinds of heists are probably 1% of illicit transactions. We're talking more about buying drugs and exchanging crypto between two seemingly clean wallets.
Re:Illicit activity a tiny part of cryptocurrency use by periheli0n on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:50PM (#29830766)
OK, in that case "illicit" is defined as related to fraud in the crypto exchange itself. It does not refer to activities like e.g. buying banned substances, oligarchs circumventing sanctions, etc.

If this is really the message of the article, then it is misleading, perhaps even deliberately so, to make crypto look good.

Re:Illicit activity a tiny part of cryptocurrency use by gtvwill on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:59PM (#29830898)
That's a very narrow definition of an illicit transaction. I mean you seem to ignore simple facts like how ownership alone can dictate if a transaction is illicit.

Bit hard to tell me your not sending money to foreign nation States or supporting terrorism if you can't prove you know the identity of owners of the accounts your transacting with.

Re:Illicit activity a tiny part of cryptocurrency use by mrkramer on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:58PM (#29830879)
>What is the methodology behind determining whether crypto transactions were illicit? I thought the whole point of using crypto was that transactions could not be traced.

The whole purpose of Bitcoin is to decentralize trust though p2p distributed and decentralized database called blockchain and to solve "double spend" problem.

Read Bitcoin whitepaper.

Re:Illicit activity a tiny part of cryptocurrency use by mrkramer on Thursday January 06, 2022 @06:59PM (#29832555)
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