Re:What the world will be like in a hundred years (1922)
by thegrimmest on Thursday January 06, 2022 @01:18PM
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The currency seems irrelevant, but it's not. Imagine my government in Tyrannia only accepted taxes in a currency which was impossible to obtain except by stealing it (also illegal). The government would then hold every citizen in a catch-22, allowing it to arbitrarily decide whom to imprison for not paying taxes and who to imprison for stealing the currency required to pay them.
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Re:What the world will be like in a hundred years (1922)
by wbsss4412 on Thursday January 06, 2022 @01:34PM
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It seems like the government issuing their own currency still isn’t really the issue in this thought experiment…
Re:What the world will be like in a hundred years (1922)
by thegrimmest on Thursday January 06, 2022 @01:44PM
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It is though, since they can debase that self same currency as they see fit. This fundamentally changes the playing field when negotiating your taxes with the government. The only reason USD has any value at all is because it's what everyone has to pay taxes to the US government in, and what US bonds are paid in.
Re:What the world will be like in a hundred years (1922)
by wbsss4412 on Thursday January 06, 2022 @02:11PM
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What you’re saying is essentially “imagine a government with the power to create laws that allow arbitrary imprisonment with no recourse, that would be tyrannical”, which, yes, but that only has to do with the currency because that’s what you chose for your example.
Said government could pass a law stating that all citizens must be in two places at once, and achieve the same effect.
Re:What the world will be like in a hundred years (1922)
by thegrimmest on Thursday January 06, 2022 @02:29PM
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As mentioned in a previous comment, I'm saying "Imagine a government without broad power over general welfare". This was the US government until 1936 with United States v. Butler. I don't think it would be a catastrophe to reverse this decision again. It seems that in spite of best efforts, the US has failed to preserve the very meaning of liberty, as it was initially envisioned, from total deterioration even in its very definition.
Re:What the world will be like in a hundred years (1922)
by wbsss4412 on Thursday January 06, 2022 @03:06PM
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The material distinction when the United States was founded wasn’t whether the state in general had broad power over the general welfare, but whether the federal government would. State government did have such power.
Re:What the world will be like in a hundred years (1922)
by bcrosby95 on Thursday January 06, 2022 @09:02PM
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Yep. The bill of rights didn't even broadly apply to the states until the 20th century. Have fun with that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of_the_Bill_of_R...