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Re:Norton 360 Now Comes with a Cryptominer by niros_valtos on Thursday January 06, 2022 @12:59PM (#29827128)
It wasn’t a big thing when it was disabled by default and now it is because the default flipped?! I think this is a big issue regardless - it’s like selling a bike rack with every new car. It doesn’t seem right and enforces the wrong behavior.
Re:Norton 360 Now Comes with a Cryptominer by johnday on Thursday January 06, 2022 @01:11PM (#29827346)
More precisely, it's like selling a crypto miner with every new car. The use case overlap with a piece of security software is close to zero.
Re:Norton 360 Now Comes with a Cryptominer by beamatronic on Thursday January 06, 2022 @01:14PM (#29827385)
Don't give them any ideas, I can see this actually happening.
Re:Norton 360 Now Comes with a Cryptominer by buescher on Thursday January 06, 2022 @01:19PM (#29827492)
How long before one has to worry about electric car mechanics surreptitiously installing crypto mining hardware on cars?
Re:Norton 360 Now Comes with a Cryptominer by seoaeu on Thursday January 06, 2022 @01:24PM (#29827593)
Maybe I’m missing something, but what’s so wrong with selling a bike rack with every new car? Seems a bit silly, but I’d expect it would encourage cycling while slightly raising the price of cars which are already under priced relative to the externalities they cause.
Re:Norton 360 Now Comes with a Cryptominer by restingrobot on Thursday January 06, 2022 @01:45PM (#29827946)
It's more like selling a bike rack with a new car, that you have to pay $15 to the car company every time you use. The biggest issue I see is that Norton is charging their users a fee to use their own hardware to mine crypto.
Re:Norton 360 Now Comes with a Cryptominer by mikeiz404 on Thursday January 06, 2022 @01:46PM (#29827954)
The ethereum crypto minor for many would be a reoccurring net loss (or a negative externality on the person paying for electricity).

> “Norton is pretty much amplifying energy consumption worldwide, costing their customers more in electricity use than the customer makes on the mining, yet allowing Norton to make a ton of profit,” tweeted security researcher Chris Vickery.

Which is unlike a bike rack which if enabled/purchased but never used would be a one time loss. And for some one likely to transport bikes the bike rack would probably be beneficial.

Edit: After doing some calculations for profitability with say the RTX 3070 with a hash rate of 60.5 MH/s and a power consumption of 160 W [0] at both the min and max average US state electricity prices of .1038 $/KWh and .3428 $/KWh respectively [1] is currently profitable with a return of $2.86/day and $1.94/day respectively [2] (ignoring all other costs).

So for some this would be profitable for them with a potential reduction in the lifetime of their hardware.

0: https://www.nicehash.com/blog/post/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-m...!

1: https://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.ph...

2: https://minerstat.com/coin/ETH

Re:Norton 360 Now Comes with a Cryptominer by SippinLean on Thursday January 06, 2022 @01:01PM (#29827166)
It is disabled by default

> Norton Crypto is an opt-in feature only and is not enabled without user permission