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Re:Kosovo bans cryptocurrency mining to save electricity by dilyevsky on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @08:48AM (#29808814)
Iran (also under sanctions) and Kazakhstan having relatively ineffective economies simply can’t sustain paying us/european energy prices. The idea that this unintended arbitrage is somehow subsidies fault is just ludicrous to me. Their only fault is they didn’t stamp out those assholes quickly enough
Re:Kosovo bans cryptocurrency mining to save electricity by ahtihn on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @09:09AM (#29809083)
How come the government can afford to subsidize energy if the economy can't sustain paying the "true" price for it? Where is the money coming from?
Re:Kosovo bans cryptocurrency mining to save electricity by cool_dude85 on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @09:35AM (#29809431)
The problem with things like energy that are almost a necessity for modern life is that some individuals cannot afford it, not that "the economy" taken as a whole cannot.

Let's say 5% of Iran's GDP is spent on energy. Not sure what the number is, but whatever. A big chunk but affordable for the economy as a whole. At the market price, maybe 10% of people cannot afford to consume enough energy to meet the necessities of modern life - cooking, not freezing to death, using transportation. If you don't want these 10% of people to be shut off from modern society, you need to subsidize somehow.

Re:Kosovo bans cryptocurrency mining to save electricity by conanbatt on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @10:27AM (#29810114)
It would be better to give the money to the people and they can choose to spend it on electricity or something else. Subsidizing electricity is a distortion.
Re:Kosovo bans cryptocurrency mining to save electricity by caf on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @05:49PM (#29816265)
Isn't that just going to bid up the prices for everything else?

Historically, subsidising electricity has worked fairly efficiently, because it wasn't possible to effectively store and re-sell or export it.

Re:Kosovo bans cryptocurrency mining to save electricity by conanbatt on Friday January 07, 2022 @09:59PM (#29848171)
1. No

2. It has always worked the same: people arbitrage the subsidy by doing energy inefficient labor. Bitcoin mining is just a more efficient arbitrage mechanism.

Re:Kosovo bans cryptocurrency mining to save electricity by dilyevsky on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @09:37AM (#29809459)
Oil is where it’s coming from. Yeah you can sell as much as you can with export prices but you’ll gut your economy in the process
Re:Kosovo bans cryptocurrency mining to save electricity by ohgodplsno on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @10:22AM (#29810027)
You're the guy that doesn't get invited to parties because you keep eating all the food because it's free, aren't you ?

All those subsidies are given under the expectation that people will behave reasonably and only use what is necessary, because it gets the country running. It's taking a hit so that your citizens can live and thrive. When you suddenly have a bunch of people running thousands of GPU for magic internet money, that is not a reasonable use of it.

Re:Kosovo bans cryptocurrency mining to save electricity by ahtihn on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @11:47AM (#29811346)
Why so personal and agressive?

In my opinion it would be better to have normal energy prices and simply redistribute the money. At least it would give an incentive to use energy more efficiently

Re:Kosovo bans cryptocurrency mining to save electricity by mytailorisrich on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @09:21AM (#29809236)
Yes, by country under sanctions I meant Iran.

You don't make your economy more effective by having incentives to remain ineffective. This sort of arbitrage (crypto-mining) is a direct consequence of misguided subsidies: If electricity is essentially free you have no incentive to control your electricity consumption and that attracts heavy users, which pushes consumption up in a vicious circle and can lead to shortages.

Iran has oil so they can probably afford to keep energy prices very low but that does not help them over the long term.

A ban on crypto-mining is also very difficult to enforce, IMHO.

Re:Kosovo bans cryptocurrency mining to save electricity by turminal on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @09:16AM (#29809169)
Iran happens to sit on enormous amounts of oil. Energy being cheap there is hardly a surprise.
Re:Kosovo bans cryptocurrency mining to save electricity by groundhogday3 on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @09:23AM (#29809265)
They can drill it but they can't refine a lot of it because of sanctions.

https://www.iranintl.com/en/20211025679868