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Re:Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out... by netcan on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @05:09AM (#29807234)
They're not required to enter the search market.

But, the revenue Apple get from the deal/trust with Google is better than MSFT or Yahoo ever got by competing with them. It's also easy, risk free and pure profit. So, the deal essentially ensures that Apple will not compete.

Apple now also have an interest in maintaining their (alleged) trust. It's now in both parties interest to maintain Google's dominance of the space. It's also in both their interest to have a large ad market. Competition is not necessarily head-2-head. If Apple couldn't make money by funneling user to Google, they might prefer to just suppress ads. I'm sure if they asked users, users would want that. "Phone with fewer ads, ad-related tracking, etc.) is a potential selling point.

IANAL, and more to the point, I dislike both legal framework around antitrust and the intellectual framework implied by much of it. There's just a lot more to monopoly than either take into account.

Such deals are, IMO, evidence that monopoly^ in general is to the detriment of competition, innovation, churn and other such positive market outcomes. I also think more monopoly is concerning on "free culture" grounds, it perculates to politics/government, etc. Lets leave those aside though.

Apple & Google themselves were only able to innovate and prosper because monopolies did not yet control the microcomputer or the web. App stores, OTOH...

*Meant broadly. Read, Trust, cartel oligopoly, monopsony, bigness...

Re:Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out... by lotsofpulp on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @07:27AM (#29808132)
> If Apple couldn't make money by funneling user to Google, they might prefer to just suppress ads.

Apple did implement content blockers to block ads. I do not see ads when I use Safari in iOS or macOS.

Re:Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out... by mholm on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @10:21AM (#29810022)
Google is not concerned much with the ability to block ads, but whether it is default. The vast majority of users do not install content blockers.
Re:Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out... by dontblink on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @10:51AM (#29810448)
I'd imagine at some point depriving sites of revenue will lead to adversarial outcomes where many if not all will simply refuse to load. So if ad blockers become mainstream it will be interesting change to the web.
Re:Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out... by 6510 on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @01:40PM (#29813100)
I was quite shocked when I discovered that some people with deep pockets think of ads as product information. Their behavior is entirely the opposite of ours. They click on all of them and buy stuff just to be sure they are not missing out. I on the other hand click 1 banner per year and I click search ads if I'm searching for that specific product. If I block ads on all pages except search (where I use them) google would benefit greatly. My clicks per impression would go up. Bids would follow.
Re:Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out... by dwaite on Thursday January 06, 2022 @12:04AM (#29819653)
At least some ad views have to convert to sales or companies would have long ago given up on the advertising medium.

It is hard to imagine someone who went through the age of Flash-based ads not looking at all injected advertisements with a sense of utter scorn, though. The split between content provider and advertising marketplace otherwise seems to mean that both consider the end user to only be valued in terms of their eyeballs.

I suspect it is because for some people, the advertisements actually are on-point and represent things they might be interested in.

I still find direct advertisement arrangements - such as temporarily co-branding a gaming site with a launching game, having a podcast talk about sponsors' products - to be much more on point.

Re:Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out... by throwawayboise on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @04:25PM (#29815148)
I'm not sure I believe that. People with deep pockets (unless they got that way via inheritance, winning the lottery, etc) typically got that way by being smart about money, not FOMO.
Re:Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out... by 6510 on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @11:30PM (#29819405)
Yes, born rich.
Re:Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out... by dwaite on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @11:54PM (#29819582)
> So, the deal essentially ensures that Apple will not compete.

To be clear, Apple does have search and does sell advertising for it. https://searchads.apple.com

They also attempt to summarize information when you do a system-level or browser-bar search. When the search shows me the local weather or a flight status or gives me a summary and direct link to Wikipedia as I type, they are taking that engagement from Google.

What Apple hasn't shown interest in so far is being a general-purpose internet search engine.

Re:Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out... by judge2020 on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @08:33AM (#29808652)
Note that Apple does have an actual search engine, the ‘Siri suggested sites’ section of iOS results and sometimes within safari itself.
Re:Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out... by MBCook on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @09:53AM (#29809673)
Isn’t that just powered by whatever your default search engine is?
Re:Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out... by judge2020 on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @09:59AM (#29809738)
Nope, it's Apple's search engine. @lgats here on HN made a frontend for it[0]

0: https://luke.lol/search/ (hn comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29796924)

Re:Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out... by MBCook on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @01:04PM (#29812585)
Oh, neat. Thanks.