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Re:The Demise of Scientific American by HumanReadable on Monday January 03, 2022 @04:46AM (#29779003)
it's less clear to non-native English speakers what the hell a blacklist is than what a deny-list is.

EDIT: the replies I received to this comment are pretty shocking to me. I'm not arguing for the removal of anything, I am only listing one issue with blacklist that deny-list doesn't have. Anything you're reading into my comment beyond that is your tribal identity projecting its insecurity.

Re:The Demise of Scientific American by IlliOnato on Monday January 03, 2022 @05:35AM (#29779341)
I'm a non-native English speaker, and I must say that you are wrong.

Even forgetting that many languages have exactly the same construction ("black list") with the same meaning, the thing you do as a non-native speaker with an unfamiliar word is to look it up in a dictionary, or guess its meaning from the context, not try and run some inverse etimology on it.

I mean, for years I understood what "paste" meant (as in "copy and paste") and used that word without having any idea about "paste" being some sort of glue. I still have no idea where the word "parkway" comes from, but understand the word and use it. (If I were to guess from its parts I would arrive to something like a "garden path":))

Re:The Demise of Scientific American by HumanReadable on Monday January 03, 2022 @06:37AM (#29779752)
I didn't claim we should remove the world blacklist. The comment I was responding asked for things I find wrong with blacklist, I replied with one.
Re:The Demise of Scientific American by ogogmad on Monday January 03, 2022 @04:52AM (#29779037)
1. By this logic, we should abandon most words in the English language, because non-native speakers might otherwise need to learn them. Somehow though, you've applied this logic only to the word "blacklist". And why should a language with its own literature and history abandon its own vocabulary?

2. The usual reason given for not saying "blacklist" is because of supposed racism. Your argument is a new one, and seems to have been produced post-facto. Your comment is sophistry.

[edit] Removed some scathing remarks.

Re:The Demise of Scientific American by rbanffy on Monday January 03, 2022 @05:19AM (#29779211)
Even if the readability argument was created after the fact, it still stands. It’s immediately clear what an “allow-list” means.
Re:The Demise of Scientific American by ogogmad on Monday January 03, 2022 @05:33AM (#29779323)
By that logic, we'll have to give up most words in English. This is entitled to the extreme. You have been arguing with me for the sake of arguing.
Re:The Demise of Scientific American by rbanffy on Monday January 03, 2022 @06:18AM (#29779626)
Not really. English remains the most spoken language in our circles and it's immensely helpful because of that. What we can all do is to look for better names. Master/slave can be replaced by primary/replica, publisher/subscriber and a lot of others that offer narrower meanings and, therefore, are better names.
Re:The Demise of Scientific American by major--neither on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @02:06PM (#29798663)
do you seriously not understand what you're doing?
Re:The Demise of Scientific American by HumanReadable on Monday January 03, 2022 @06:40AM (#29779775)
The comment asked for things wrong with the word blacklist. I replied with a reason.

I'm not arguing for the removal of the word, I don't know why you think I am.

Re:The Demise of Scientific American by major--neither on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @02:05PM (#29798643)
> [edit] Removed some scathing remarks.

you mean you white-washed some remarks?

aha!

;)

Re:The Demise of Scientific American by esarbe on Monday January 03, 2022 @03:48PM (#29786651)
Not sure I buy that argument. In German they have the "Schwarze Liste" which essentially means.

German is pretty close to English though, so I guess your argument could still hold for other non-related languages.