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Re:Bitcoin consumed 134 TWh in total during 2021 by geertj on Sunday January 02, 2022 @12:37PM (#29771061)
> What's scary is that the whole thing was designed to be unstoppable.

It’s only unstoppable within the game theoretic model of crypto itself, not within the larger societal context. Once Bitcoin power consumption enters the common discourse, my guess is that politicians will step in and simply outlaw PoW systems. There is no real downside for politicians. The average voter hasn’t yet invested their life savings into Bitcoin, and once PoS systems exist at scale proponents can’t use the innovation argument anymore. Especially in Europe, politicians are serious about climate and are pondering much more draconian changes than outlawing some forms of crypto.

Re:Bitcoin consumed 134 TWh in total during 2021 by FabHK on Sunday January 02, 2022 @01:17PM (#29771692)
Yes, it is a classic tragedy of the commons situation, and that is what politics - collective action - is good at fixing (at least sometimes).
Re:Bitcoin consumed 134 TWh in total during 2021 by landemva on Sunday January 02, 2022 @02:30PM (#29772680)
Tragedy of the commons is often due to ineffective or free pricing of government regulated items. Parks look free and become an appealing place to make homeless encampments. The free market with enforceable property rights fixes this government problem.

If you don't like that people run computers to play games or wash laundry or watch videos or hash strings, re-pricing electricity fixes that. Germans are experiencing this experiment with increasing electricity prices right now.

Re:Bitcoin consumed 134 TWh in total during 2021 by sjtindell on Sunday January 02, 2022 @10:02PM (#29776842)
A good and correct counter. Perhaps the other poster meant that this (electricity consumption) has mis-priced externalities, which is probably true.
Re:Bitcoin consumed 134 TWh in total during 2021 by pnt12 on Monday January 03, 2022 @08:16AM (#29780460)
Arguably, not all of those consumptions are equal. I'd compare that to paying a supermarket tax because it sells alcohol and alcohol is bad for the health.
Re:Bitcoin consumed 134 TWh in total during 2021 by rasz on Monday January 03, 2022 @06:14AM (#29779604)
At that point most politicians themselves will be heavily invested in crypto, or worse banking institutions.
Re:Bitcoin consumed 134 TWh in total during 2021 by exolymph on Sunday January 02, 2022 @05:44PM (#29774888)
This gets into First Amendment tangles.
Re:Bitcoin consumed 134 TWh in total during 2021 by zepto on Sunday January 02, 2022 @09:19PM (#29776590)
How? Nobody is prevented from speaking.
Re:Bitcoin consumed 134 TWh in total during 2021 by exolymph on Monday January 03, 2022 @02:06PM (#29784857)
Running code is speech.
Re:Bitcoin consumed 134 TWh in total during 2021 by zepto on Monday January 03, 2022 @02:59PM (#29785787)
No it isn’t. Not anywhere.

Code is speech. Running it is not.

Re:Bitcoin consumed 134 TWh in total during 2021 by js8 on Sunday January 02, 2022 @01:22PM (#29771773)
> Once Bitcoin power consumption enters the common discourse, my guess is that politicians will step in and simply outlaw PoW systems. There is no real downside for politicians.

Will we? I am not convinced. In the pandemic, many countries weren't even able to efficiently mandate masks or vaccines, despite the fact the majority supported these measures. The libertarian-anarchy minority is very loud, and will fight the right to Bitcoin tooth and nail.

Re:Bitcoin consumed 134 TWh in total during 2021 by geertj on Monday January 03, 2022 @08:57AM (#29780785)
> Will we? I am not convinced.

Not everywhere, and likely not in America. In Europe it’s not as unthinkable. Climate regulations are having real impact on people’s lives, and yet there is support for them. Spun by the right politician as a ‘free’ savings of XX megatons of carbon, outlawing PoW would be an easy sell. And with a massive bloc like Europe not participating in a certain crypto will definitely reduce the global attractiveness of that crypto.

I don’t have a crystal ball and of course I can’t say this will definitely happen. But I think it’s plausible.

Mask regulations in the parts of Europe that I’m familiar with were largely followed.