Re:Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among p...
by 542458 on Sunday January 02, 2022 @12:54PM
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Sudden cardiac death has always been surprisingly frequent in healthy athletes, so there’s a lot of room for observational bias here.
(2016) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4969030/
> A recent estimate of SCD incidence ranged from 1 in 40,000 to 1 in 80,000 athletes per year.
Re:Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among p...
by daenz on Sunday January 02, 2022 @01:07PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballer...
21 in 2021
3 in 2020
3 in 2019
4 in 2018
7 in 2017
8 in 2016
9 in 2015
5 in 2014
10 in 2013
8 in 2012
3 in 2011
9 in 2010
Something is different about 2021. I'm not a data analyst, but maybe somebody can quantify how 2021 is an outlier.
Re:Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among p...
by 542458 on Sunday January 02, 2022 @03:54PM
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That’s not a complete list for any year, so comparisons of counts is meaningless - again, lots of room for biases to creep in here.
Re:Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among p...
by daenz on Sunday January 02, 2022 @04:06PM
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>comparisons of counts is meaningless
Even if the data is biased, it's still useful when you account for the biases. What are you proposing is the bias for 2021?
Re:Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among p...
by 542458 on Sunday January 02, 2022 @04:15PM
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A potential bias for 2021 would be that: In 2021 some people are worried about a vaccine->heart link and for any given event may be more likely to document it online and/or add it to Wikipedia. As such we might not be measuring number of cardiac arrests, and actually may be measuring public attention paid to cardiac arrest.
Re:Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among p...
by daenz on Sunday January 02, 2022 @04:25PM
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What test could prove or disprove that hypothesis? Creating some criteria by which to include a death in the statistic? (eg, notability)
Re:Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among p...
by 542458 on Sunday January 02, 2022 @07:44PM
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Notability is sort of a bad metric since it’s incredibly subjective. And we’re not just worried about extraneous inclusions in 2021, we’re also concerned about missing data points for previous years - there’s no real statistical correction for “my inputs are biased in unknown ways”. You need to do real analyses with better quality data (i.e., national death registries) to find a ground truth to compare to. But good news, since this is quite a hot topic I’d expect that people are already looking into that.
Re:Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among p...
by csee on Sunday January 02, 2022 @01:02PM
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> surprisingly frequent in healthy athletes
More common than in general population?
Re:Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among p...
by jack_squat on Sunday January 02, 2022 @03:14PM
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My understanding is cardiac deaths early in life are mostly caused by congenital issues that are more likely to shake out under stress, and those late in life are dominated by issues acquired via lifestyle.
Among people under 35 (most athletes) athletes are at significantly higher risk. It's possible tables turn later in life, can't really find a source. Anecdotally I knew two people growing up who died suddenly of congenital heart issues, and both were athletes.
Re:Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among p...
by BillyTheKing on Sunday January 02, 2022 @12:52PM
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it's not really a video about increase of deaths and heart-attacks - it's just a video that compiles all sorts of sport-related deaths and heart-attacks, we do not actually know if there's an increase or not, since no data from before 2020 was presented
Re:Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among p...
by newacc9 on Sunday January 02, 2022 @12:16PM
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There's funeral directors on youtube and bitchute that say their workload has increased 5x and the deaths are all heart related.
Re:Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among p...
by 542458 on Sunday January 02, 2022 @12:59PM
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That doesn’t pass smell test to me. A 5x increase in workload for funeral homes would mean ballpark 5x as many deaths. That would be apocalyptic and impossible to miss. Every ER doc and ambulance driver in the US would be talking about it. For reference, the 2020 death rate is only about 1.15x the 2019 rate due to covid.
Re:Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among p...
by truffdog on Sunday January 02, 2022 @12:26PM
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That's a potential COVID complication, right?
Re:Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among p...
by joenathanone on Sunday January 02, 2022 @12:28PM
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Link(s)?
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Re:Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among p...
by 542458 on Sunday January 02, 2022 @08:05PM
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This isn't some everyday funeral home director - this fellow had previously been in the alt-news (https://fullfact.org/health/funeral-director-interview/), with baseless claims like facemasks causing pneumonia or that all the people who died in care homes were euthanized using midazolam or that the covid vaccines were never tested (at all) before deployment. I would not consider him an authoritative or unbiased source.
Re:Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among p...
by cycrutchfield on Sunday January 02, 2022 @01:00PM
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I too get my trusted news from random YouTube sources
Re:Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among p...
by JaimeThompson on Sunday January 02, 2022 @01:45PM
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[1] is featured on the channel you liked as an expert but it appears that he has some issues / trouble being factual.
https://rumble.com/vpnxkr-are-these-side-effects-extremely-r...