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Re:Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among p... by austinkhale on Sunday January 02, 2022 @11:33AM (#29770134)
What claim do you believe is being made that utilizes this source in a biased way? It seems to me that in his remarks he was pretty clear about this data applying to the vertical of participants in employer plans, in a specific age group.

I don’t think it’s any secret that the last two years have been poor for people’s mental & physical health. It stands to reason that we’re going to be feeling the consequences of the pandemic & pandemic mitigation efforts for quite some time.

Re:Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among p... by netizen-936824 on Sunday January 02, 2022 @11:35AM (#29770152)
>that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18 to 64”

He's literally claiming that elderly are not dying at the same rates, based on his internal customer data

Re:Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among p... by austinkhale on Sunday January 02, 2022 @11:47AM (#29770288)
I think you’re misinterpreting his statement. He isn’t making a claim about elderly death rates. He’s saying the pandemic (both the disease and other effects) is affecting a younger, working cohort as well, based on their available data.
Re:Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among p... by netizen-936824 on Sunday January 02, 2022 @11:50AM (#29770329)
I am saying that comparison is wrong, because he is missing data for the age group that he is comparing against.
Re:Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among p... by austinkhale on Sunday January 02, 2022 @12:04PM (#29770540)
I believe where you are interpreting it one way and the rest of us are interpreting it another is perhaps due to missing the quotation marks.

...deaths represents “huge, huge numbers,” and that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18...

Davidson, the CEO in question, directly said "huge, huge numbers" and "primarily working-age people 18..." in his address. However the author of the article, Margaret Menge, added the "that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying" piece.

Essentially Margaret, as explained in another comment, used a literary construction to tie the quotes together. The sentence is being used to convey that contrary to the popular narrative that the pandemic is only killing the elderly, here we have evidence that it's affecting other cohorts as well.

Re:Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among p... by netizen-936824 on Sunday January 02, 2022 @12:08PM (#29770597)
If that is true, them this changes the meaning of the quotes. In my opinion this is just as bad because the entire article centers around these claims and she is adding claims that her source did not make.

Horrible reporting

Re:Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among p... by whatever1 on Sunday January 02, 2022 @11:38AM (#29770186)
Are we reading the same sentence?
Re:Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among p... by netizen-936824 on Sunday January 02, 2022 @11:42AM (#29770231)
So how do you interpret it?

My interpretation is that this guy runs an insurance company who insures working age people through their employers. That is the source of the data, so he is missing data on elderly people

Yet he makes a claim that the people he does not have data on are dying at a lower rate than the people he does have data on. This makes no sense, as you can't make a comparison when you simply don't have data on the group you're comparing against

Re:Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among p... by GaveDrohl on Sunday January 02, 2022 @11:50AM (#29770337)
Can you share the quote from the article that you're referring to? Not saying it's not there, but I'm just not finding it.
Re:Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among p... by netizen-936824 on Sunday January 02, 2022 @11:53AM (#29770378)
I have it quoted in multiple comments here, including my top comment. Here it is again:

>Davison said the increase in deaths represents “huge, huge numbers,” and that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18 to 64” who are the employees of companies that have group life insurance plans through OneAmerica.

Here is the specific part I take issue with:

>it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people