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Re:Tokyo: A big city that is also pleasant to live in by bch on Saturday January 01, 2022 @03:10PM (#29762171)
> The reality is that streetcar companies were already unprofitable

What seems to me to be a good takedown of “public transit must be profitable or be dismantled”, or “the US post office must be profitable or be dismantled” is: How profitable is the US military?

Re:Tokyo: A big city that is also pleasant to live in by kiba on Saturday January 01, 2022 @03:32PM (#29762396)
Everybody has a budget. Going red is just very bad. Sustainability is the keyword here.

A streetcar enhance economic activity and transportation, especially when built with proper urban planning, and may even make a profit.

With the profit, the public transit agency can use the fund to improve infrastructure with hopefully less political influence in order to further it missions.

You could of course make a trade off and not mandate the agency to be profitable and subsidize it, but it's a political tradeoff.

Re:Tokyo: A big city that is also pleasant to live in by amrocha on Saturday January 01, 2022 @10:40PM (#29765573)
Just because a business turns a loss doesn't mean it isn't sustainable.

Public transport is unprofitable pretty much everywhere, because the explicit transactions don't offset costs of operation. However, the cost of not operating public transit is that you end up with awful car centric cities, more respiratory disease from increased traffic, lost efficiency from congestion, higher real estate prices in walkable areas, etc.

Additionally, there's a ton of positive externalities that are not factored in when judging profitability. Effective public transport increases foot traffic, which increases economic activity.

Even if public transit was 100% free, it would still be worth running. The market is awful at evaluating long-term large scale effects, and just disregards them as "externalities". You can't blindly trust markets to build your cities.

Re:Tokyo: A big city that is also pleasant to live in by ben-schaaf on Saturday January 01, 2022 @08:41PM (#29764874)
An even better one that's directly relevant is: How profitable are roads? Public roads are exclusively unprofitable and yet they get fully subsidised.