If – A Poem by Rudyard Kipling

Re:If – A Poem by Rudyard Kipling by TedDoesntTalk on Friday December 31, 2021 @07:45PM (#29754188)

This is the zeitgeist of today: no nuance, no complexity. One cannot be both good and bad in same lifetime. One cannot be both flawed and redemptive. Witness the crucifixion of Ernest Hemingway, Hunter S. Thompson, Rudyard Kipling, and countless other writers from the past.

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Re:If – A Poem by Rudyard Kipling by andrepd on Friday December 31, 2021 @07:49PM (#29754225)

I don't see anyone crucifying anyone here, it's just you trying to stir shit where there's none tbh.

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Re:If – A Poem by Rudyard Kipling by TedDoesntTalk on Friday December 31, 2021 @08:59PM (#29754682)

Perhaps you are right. But reading the link which OP provided, I was expecting to hear how terrible a man Kipling must have been to support racist imperialism regardless of the beauty he also produced. If I jumped the gun, I apologize.

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Re:If – A Poem by Rudyard Kipling by andrepd on Saturday January 01, 2022 @07:00AM (#29757610)

I think it's fair to say he was quite a reactionary even for the standards of the time. In my opinion, that does not erase the beauty he produced, and neither does that beauty erase his less unsavory featured.

But yes I'm quite against the tendency to crucify dead people, which is annoyingly prevalent in some circles.

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Re:If – A Poem by Rudyard Kipling by Grakel on Friday December 31, 2021 @07:49PM (#29754227)

The systematic destruction of everything strong and good in the past is done on purpose to disorient and make people more open to dramatic, sudden change.

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