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Re:Tech Won’t Save Us. Shrinking Consumption Will by titzer on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @10:56PM (#29721657)
Exponential growth is coming to an end, one way or another. Our consumption of the biosphere and drastic impact on the carrying capacity of this planet cannot be fixed by simply changing energy sources. Problems are way deeper than that.
Re:Tech Won’t Save Us. Shrinking Consumption Will by bryanlarsen on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @08:19AM (#29724542)
The year is 2300. The iPhone 279 is released, which is better than the iPhone 278. It's also smaller, and both the 278 and 279 are perfectly recyclable. Even more importantly, the apps available for both have improved over the past year.

Voila, continuing exponential growth.

We can't have exponential population growth, but infinite exponential economic growth? Dollars are just numbers in a computer. Increased economic growth can mean better resource usage rather than more resource usage.

Re:Tech Won’t Save Us. Shrinking Consumption Will by deltree7 on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @11:18PM (#29721803)
How did you arrive at the 'carrying capacity' of the planet?
Re:Tech Won’t Save Us. Shrinking Consumption Will by Syonyk on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @11:47PM (#29721979)
"Earth Overshoot Day" [0] is as good a place to start as any if you're serious about answering the question.

They try to calculate, in some detail, at what point in the year the current civilization has used the earth's annual "ability to regenerate" across a range of areas, and convert it into a calendar date. So if we're using twice the earth's annual regeneration, overshoot day would be about July 1. Etc.

Spider off that and you can find some good resources on how it's calculated. Needless to say, it's not a pretty picture at the moment.

[0]: https://www.overshootday.org/

Re:Tech Won’t Save Us. Shrinking Consumption Will by deltree7 on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @02:55PM (#29729226)
So, the Earth Overshoot Day people know exactly the model of the Universe that they can accurately measure (let alone predict) all these things?

Where is your 'scientific thinking' in questioning all these things?

Re:Tech Won’t Save Us. Shrinking Consumption Will by fghgg on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @05:45AM (#29723674)
Earth shoot day depends on the life style of people.

Thus, I don't think it can be used to describe a maximum capacity earth could sustain

Re:Tech Won’t Save Us. Shrinking Consumption Will by jdmichal on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @09:34AM (#29725134)
That's like saying that the tendency of wolves to eat prey can't be used to describe a maximum capacity of wolves given an amount of prey. Maybe we could support more wolves if they starved a little? Or if they started eating pets in addition to wild prey? Or if they expanded their range?

Knowing the maximum capacity that our Earth seems to be capable of sustaining based on current utilization is an important number, and isn't worthy of such a short-sighted dismissal. If lifestyles do change such that the maximum capacity increases, that's a huge win to be able to track.

Re:Tech Won’t Save Us. Shrinking Consumption Will by fghgg on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @10:09AM (#29725431)
It's an important number. I am not dismissing it in general. We don't need to starve more than we have to starve now if we live less wasteful.

That said, when it comes to looking at the maximum capacity earth could sustain, it rather seems short sighted to not consider life style changes while even the article being commented is about shrinking consumption.

Re:Tech Won’t Save Us. Shrinking Consumption Will by LanceH on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @11:27PM (#29721860)
It's probably less than where infinite growth takes us.
Re:Tech Won’t Save Us. Shrinking Consumption Will by deltree7 on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @02:57PM (#29729249)
Do you have a peer reviewed scientific paper that shows any of it?

Do you even know what Growth is?

Since you are in HN, I'm guessing you also know the 2nd law of Thermodynamics?

Re:Tech Won’t Save Us. Shrinking Consumption Will by civilized on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @11:26PM (#29721853)
The same way doomsday preachers arrive at the date of Armageddon.
Re:Tech Won’t Save Us. Shrinking Consumption Will by hatenberg on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @02:08AM (#29722640)
And you'd think people understood exponential growth after covid. But then I remembered that a sizeable part of the US electorate doesn't think it's real
Re:Tech Won’t Save Us. Shrinking Consumption Will by tehjoker on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @11:56PM (#29722040)
Never before has humanity been planetary scale. This presents obvious new problems that could previously have been mitigated by migration. No longer, it's a global system operating under unified logic. The defects in that logic cannot be escaped.