Re:Messy NFT drop angers infosec pioneers with unauthorized ...
by corobo on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @12:18PM
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You have put into words the reason I laughed.
They say NFTs are distributed, uncensorable, freedom to do whatever. This scenario says otherwise
Also further amusement that OpenSea is opting for a legacy IPO than a DAO or whichever web3 acronym is the equivalent to public shares. They don't even believe in it themselves haha
I really can't wait till the wagmi cult moves on to the next quick buck and we see what this tech can really be useful for instead of "Gravatar, but expensive"
Re:Messy NFT drop angers infosec pioneers with unauthorized ...
by ludamad on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @12:31PM
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Sure; a DAO is just a corp that has smart contracts. There is no web3 thing. I feel very dehyped about the space and still like it though, not sure who actually likes OpenSea among diehard NFT folks. You also don't need to use their smart contract
Re:Messy NFT drop angers infosec pioneers with unauthorized ...
by ludamad on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @01:03PM
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I'm building an 'extensible card game' with the tech by querying smart contracts. Right now I can point people to OpenSea if they want a secondary market (I am not here to cash in though, I expect to be building well into a bear market). The composability is nice, and it's really not hard to migrate off OpenSea if needed.
Re:Messy NFT drop angers infosec pioneers with unauthorized ...
by rchaud on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @01:58PM
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"Emperor's new clothes" effect. Take that away and people would start questioning why large amounts of electricity and resultant fees are being generated to upload a PNG on the internet.
Re:Messy NFT drop angers infosec pioneers with unauthorized ...
by magicjosh on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @03:13PM
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OpenSea is just one attempt and it's pretty centralized. That's part of why SOS is getting so much hype, a decentralized auction platform along the lines of Uniswap but for NFTs.
Re:Messy NFT drop angers infosec pioneers with unauthorized ...
by PragmaticPulp on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @10:04AM
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> “We have been trying to resolve this issue ... we want to take it down,” the group said in an email to The Verge. “OpenSea involvement would make the job easy at this stage.”
OpenSea most likely doesn’t want to take them off of their platform. Doing so would be trivial, but it would shatter the illusion that NFTs and their linked off-chain content and metadata are “owned” by the purchaser.
Re:Messy NFT drop angers infosec pioneers with unauthorized ...
by kordlessagain on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @11:31AM
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Right. The idea of NFTs is clearly fungible as the "link" to the actual content isn't protected against change, nor is the content protected against change or copying.
Re:Messy NFT drop angers infosec pioneers with unauthorized ...
by miracle2k on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @03:27AM
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This is not what fungibility means. A coffee mug used by Guido van Rossum may be non-fungible with other brushes of the same make, merely because I value its provenance. Everyone unaware that I am willing to pay a premium will treat it as fungible. It is irrelevant how many other copies of the cup exist.
Similarly, you can create a thousand NFTs linking to the same content, but no one cares except misguided NFT skeptics, who somehow think this is an important fact.
Re:Messy NFT drop angers infosec pioneers with unauthorized ...
by kordlessagain on Monday January 03, 2022 @04:23PM
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If you want to exchange things of value, they must be immutable in and of themselves.
It is an important fact to realize the actual asset (immutable or not) is not directly tied to the tokens, especially if one is skeptical of this worthless technology.
Re:Messy NFT drop angers infosec pioneers with unauthorized ...
by miracle2k on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @03:21AM
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This is of course non-sense, as OpenSea has been taking down collections aggressively for months now, including in some high-profile cases such as the Cryptophunks.
Re:Messy NFT drop angers infosec pioneers with unauthorized ...
by nullhack on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @02:11PM
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"More controversially, the list included some figures who have been ostracized for harmful personal behavior, including Jacob Appelbaum and Richard Stallman."
"How DARE these NFT makers not join us in ostracizing these harmful individuals!"
"How DARE they!"
Absolute trash article
Re:Messy NFT drop angers infosec pioneers with unauthorized ...
by nmstoker on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @03:07PM
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IANAL but the legal concerns with an unauthorized portrait seem something of a stretch - it's not promoting something else, the portraits were the product and thus I'd be surprised if they were covered.
This is clearly very different from using a photo, along with "John Doe approves of our wonderful new electric toothbrush", which clearly would need John Doe's approval.
I'm sure there are some jurisdictions that are tougher but here I'm thinking mainly about US/UK general approach.
The portrait that was based on a copyright image may well be a problem though.
Of course it's understandable why the subjects might not be keen on the idea, but that's a different aspect.
Re:Messy NFT drop angers infosec pioneers with unauthorized ...
by nmstoker on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @05:41PM
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Just to clarify a little, I'm not making the case that it was the right thing to do to post the NFTs, it's purely on whether unapproved portraits are allowed. Things like caricatures and satirical pictures do appear to be enabled on the same basis: caracturists do not need to seek permission, and it's not because they're satirising the subject that they get to do it. I'm pretty sure the same broad principal applies, but I'd welcome input from legally minded people here.
Distributed lol
They say NFTs are distributed, uncensorable, freedom to do whatever. This scenario says otherwise
Also further amusement that OpenSea is opting for a legacy IPO than a DAO or whichever web3 acronym is the equivalent to public shares. They don't even believe in it themselves haha
I really can't wait till the wagmi cult moves on to the next quick buck and we see what this tech can really be useful for instead of "Gravatar, but expensive"
Be the change you want to see and that, maybe I'll be able to find something to make that isn't just apes and punks
Yes, OpenSea is centralized. That's part of the hype around SOS as an alternative, creating a decentralized NFT exchange instead.
Content hosting is also centralized (ie on Google Drive or at a URL).
NFTs can be decentralized. Current versions are not. The files are not stored on a chain or via IPFS. And there's no decentralized exchange.
The current version is kinda like an MVP stitched together.
Centralized on the (term) sheets
OpenSea most likely doesn’t want to take them off of their platform. Doing so would be trivial, but it would shatter the illusion that NFTs and their linked off-chain content and metadata are “owned” by the purchaser.
Similarly, you can create a thousand NFTs linking to the same content, but no one cares except misguided NFT skeptics, who somehow think this is an important fact.
It is an important fact to realize the actual asset (immutable or not) is not directly tied to the tokens, especially if one is skeptical of this worthless technology.
Eg. For Mickey? https://opensea.io/DisneyCollectibles
"How DARE these NFT makers not join us in ostracizing these harmful individuals!" "How DARE they!" Absolute trash article
This is clearly very different from using a photo, along with "John Doe approves of our wonderful new electric toothbrush", which clearly would need John Doe's approval.
I'm sure there are some jurisdictions that are tougher but here I'm thinking mainly about US/UK general approach.
The portrait that was based on a copyright image may well be a problem though.
Of course it's understandable why the subjects might not be keen on the idea, but that's a different aspect.