Again... you're still arguing a strawman against me. My response to the GP was that there is still doubt (and major, massive doubt when you read Ehrman's work) in this when you are relying on he said, she said; as opposed to witnessing Jesus directly himself.

This is the third time I will be answering to your point of relying on witness testimony vs first person testimony. If that's your standard to believe something, that it has to first person, then you need to discount most of history recorded in history books. In a court of law, witness testimony is valid evidence (unless proven to be a lie). You seem to discount this kind of testimony. That doesn't seem reasonable to me.

> major, massive doubt when you read Ehrman's work

If I rely on Ehrman's work, aren't I relying on he said/she said?

And you seem to be moving goal posts here. First you said that there is doubt because of the small number of witnesses "only manifested himself to an infinitesimally small cross-section of humanity" Now you're casting doubt based on the type of witness (eye witness vs self witness)

You've brought up the term strawman twice now without explanation. Care to explain exactly how I'm arguing a strawman?

You are arguing a strawman because I replied to the claim that it is beyond doubt that God came in the flesh.

It is NOT beyond doubt. You haven't proven how there is absolutely NO DOUBT to these claims.

> And you seem to be moving goal posts here.

How am I moving goalposts? The two types of witnessing have been there in my reasoning since the beginning. There is doubt since you didn't eyewitness him yourself, and then there is doubt that the hearsay that reached you regarding him is true. One follows the other since you have to rely on the one you have access to.

Again it's a strawman because I never said I discount witness testimony. You're making the case that just because witness testimony can be true, therefore witness testimony in the case of Jesus, must be true. That doesn't follow.

Thanks.

> You haven't proven how there is absolutely NO DOUBT to these claims.

That hasn't been my aim all along though. I would never argue or try to prove there is no doubt to these claims. I fully accept there is a large element of faith to religious claims. And I readily admit as believer, my faith is not perfect and I have doubts. But my ratio of faith to doubt is high enough to get me over the fence to belief. As an aside, I always argue that everyone everywhere live their lives by faith. [1]

My assertion has been your reason for your doubt, namely that Jesus only manifested to a relatively small group of people, is not valid. But I think we can agree to disagree at this point.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29710355

> My assertion has been your reason for your doubt, namely that Jesus only manifested to a relatively small group of people, is not valid.

That's an odd thing for you to say. In the absence of certainty, there is always doubt. No matter how infinitesimal.