Re:Takeaways from looking for a new senior role in tech
by stathibus on Monday December 27, 2021 @07:30PM
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Having worked with recruiters on the other side, I think the biggest contributor is a version of number 2 - they think they will get a better result via their amazing powers of verbal persuasion and charm.
In reality they are probably applying selection bias and only moving forward on the people sufficiently interested that they actually pick up the phone.
Re:Takeaways from looking for a new senior role in tech
by roenxi on Monday December 27, 2021 @07:49PM
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That sounds effective, they are probably happy with that bias. If people aren't interested enough to talk to them for half an hour then the outcome will probably be so-so.
Re:Takeaways from looking for a new senior role in tech
by stathibus on Monday December 27, 2021 @08:45PM
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I really disagree, it selects people with high tolerance for others wasting their time, so it chases away the most high value candidates.
Re:Takeaways from looking for a new senior role in tech
by temp_praneshp on Monday December 27, 2021 @09:05PM
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Even if the selection part is true, it chases away people who cannot be bothered to interact with a human being for 20 minutes or so. High value is a different set of people with unknown intersection.
Re:Takeaways from looking for a new senior role in tech
by sanderjd on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @12:25AM
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No, it is not people who can't interact with a human being for 20 minutes, but with tens of them. If it were an agent / talent model, where it is a somewhat large amount of interaction with a single individual, that would be one thing. But interactively sharing the same information with 20 different recruiters is just a waste of time that has nothing to do with an inability to be bothered to interact with people.
Re:Takeaways from looking for a new senior role in tech
by slotrans on Monday December 27, 2021 @09:58PM
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When I get 10 LinkedIn messages a day, no, I cannot be bothered to interact with each of them for 20 minutes. And since they all refuse to send along any relevant details whatsoever, I can't even cull that to the subset that's plausibly interesting.
Re:Takeaways from looking for a new senior role in tech
by tehjoker on Monday December 27, 2021 @11:10PM
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> via their amazing powers of verbal persuasion and charm.
Not really. Just the mere act of talking to a human being is a more invested act than an email.
Re:Takeaways from looking for a new senior role in tech
by conductr on Monday December 27, 2021 @10:28PM
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I'll add that sales is about overcoming objections. This is done most effectively in real-time. Sales of all variants have a preference for real-time discussions because they can get people to agree with things and navigate the turning no into yes.
Re:Takeaways from looking for a new senior role in tech
by urthor on Sunday January 02, 2022 @04:18AM
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The reason they like real time is that they can offer the bare minimum, and then if I don't like it they can then ramp up the offer.
If it's done via email it's basically a silent auction.
So your first offer HAS to be good, because you don't know what the other bidders are bidding.
Re:Takeaways from looking for a new senior role in tech
by sanderjd on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @12:29AM
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Right, this makes sense for the person doing the selling. And it's why it makes sense to have a strong bias against people treating one's career as a sales engagement.
Re:Takeaways from looking for a new senior role in tech
by kmonsen on Monday December 27, 2021 @11:17PM
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I don't think that is true anymore now that several jurisdictions says that the recruiter must mention a number first on the salary. They would never do that if they can at all avoid doing so. At any cost.
Re:Takeaways from looking for a new senior role in tech
by eru on Monday December 27, 2021 @11:42PM
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Which jurisdictions?
Seems like a weird rule, since the compensation is often subject to negotiation.
Re:Takeaways from looking for a new senior role in tech
by ycombobreaker on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @03:13AM
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Pedantically, That's a range and not a single number. There's a big difference, depending on the size of that range!
There's three reasons:
#1: The phone call allows them to get a read on your personality by listening to your tone of voice and your attentiveness.
#2: There's a whole body of research that says building rapport etc means the deal is more likely to get over the line, basic sales.
#3: Recruiters like to talk on the phone. The primary reason people get into recruiting is that talking on the phone all day sounds like a swell time to them.