> 1Comparing case rates among vaccinated and unvaccinated populations should not be used to estimate vaccine effectiveness against COVID-19 infection. Vaccine effectiveness has been formally estimated from a number of different sources and is summarised on pages 5 to 11 in this report. The case rates in the vaccinated and unvaccinated populations are unadjusted crude rates that do not take into account underlying statistical biases in the data and there are likely to be systematic differences between these 2 population groups. For example: • people who are fully vaccinated may be more health conscious and therefore more likely to get tested for COVID-19 and so more likely to be identified as a case (based on the data provided by the NHS Test and Trace) • many of those who were at the head of the queue for vaccination are those at higher risk from COVID-19 due to their age, their occupation, their family circumstances or because of underlying health issues • people who are fully vaccinated and people who are unvaccinated may behave differently, particularly with regard to social interactions and therefore may have differing levels of exposure to COVID-19 • people who have never been vaccinated are more likely to have caught COVID-19 in the weeks or months before the period of the cases covered in the report. This gives them some natural immunity to the virus for a few months which may have contributed to a lower case rate in the past few weeks
This is what a bunch of us have been complaining about all along. Not everyone with COVID who dies actually died because of COVID.
I'm not too sure how you arrived at your figures, but here's my back of the envelope calculation for the percentage of either expected deaths or expected cases coming from the vaccinated part of an age group:
V * (1 - E) / ((1 - V) + (V * (1 - E))
where V is the percentage of the age group that's vaccinated (~95% for >70yo) and E is the effectiveness against either death or symptomatic disease (which isn't exactly the same as a case, I know), i.e. only (1 - E) of the vaccinated population will face death or symptomatic disease.Playing around with the effectiveness values, 87% of cases and 84% of deaths from the vaccinated in the >70yo group doesn't look impossible.
If the vaccine is 90% efficient, then 10% of the 87 vaxed will die, 100% of the 13 unvaxed will die, therefore the % of vaxed in the deaths will be (we are using the same formula) 10% * 87 / (10% * 87 + 13) = 40%
If the vaccine is 15% efficient, then 85% of the 87 will die, and the % of vaxed in the deaths will be 85% * 87 / (85% * 87 + 13) = 85%
[1] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...
Table p31 shows the % of vaccinated among covid cases for the month of November. If you look at the population >18yo (had access to a vaccine), you get about 80% of new covid cases are vaccinated, which roughly makes sense, the vaccine doesn't really stop the infections, it mostly stops hospitalisations and deaths.
But p33 and 34 you have the same breakdown for covid deaths, and here again vaccinated are about 80% of covid deaths, I expected unvaccinated to be a much larger fraction. We know the vaccine has an impact on deaths as clearly the overall number of covid deaths are a fraction of what they were last year [2] for a similar number of covid cases.
The way I interpreted it is that the UK was probably capturing as covid deaths, elderly people who simply tested positive but died of some other reasons. But the economist numbers seem to show that excess deaths in the UK are in line with reported covid deaths. So I am not sure how to interpret the fact that 80% of deaths are vaccinated.
The French numbers are more in line with what I would expect [3]. The bar chart page 4 shows that 90% of the population is vaccinated, 85% of covid tests, 75% of positive covid tests, and only 60% of deaths are vaccinated, hence significant reduction.
[1] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...
[2] https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths
[3] https://drees.solidarites-sante.gouv.fr/sites/default/files/...