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Re:Ubisoft deleted account with hundreds of dollars’ worth o... by josephcsible on Monday December 27, 2021 @12:41AM (#29699719)
Don't copyrights preclude meaningful competition here? If a game is sold through Publisher X, Publisher Y can't just unilaterally decide that they want to sell it too.
Re:Ubisoft deleted account with hundreds of dollars’ worth o... by pdonis on Monday December 27, 2021 @12:45AM (#29699744)
> Don't copyrights preclude meaningful competition here?

No. The game developer, who owns the copyright, decides what channels it gets sold through. If game developers knew that people wouldn't buy their games through channels that didn't give good guarantees of ownership and access, they wouldn't sell through those channels.

Re:Ubisoft deleted account with hundreds of dollars’ worth o... by jbay808 on Monday December 27, 2021 @01:05AM (#29699895)
This sounds great on paper but I really don't think that feedback channel is effective in practice.

First of all, when a game or a platform does poorly, the reason for that can be very hard to discern (unless there's some kind of coordinated vocal protest). "The customers are disagreeing with the fine print of our end-user license agreement" usually isn't high up on the list of reasons.

Secondly, there are many degrees of incentive separation between the game developer and the customer. If the distributor offers the game developer a good lump-sum payment for a platform exclusive, they might not care about the EULA. The distributor might also own the developer.

IP isn't fungible, so competition in the space is subject to much more inefficiency than a market for, say, wheat.

Re:Ubisoft deleted account with hundreds of dollars’ worth o... by pdonis on Monday December 27, 2021 @01:14AM (#29699942)
Your point about market inefficiency and misaligned incentives is a valid one, but government intervention, which is what many people in this thread are calling for, does not make market inefficiencies better; it makes them worse.

Ultimately, people get the market they create through their buying decisions. The reason these market inefficiencies and misaligned incentives exist is that game distributors know that people will spend a lot of money on games and won't pay much attention to the fact that they are actually not buying ownership but only a subscription. The only way to "fix" that, if it's a problem, is for people to change their buying behavior so it is no longer lucrative to distribute games on those terms.

> The distributor might also own the developer.

Yes, fair point, I had forgotten that Ubisoft in this case is both.

Re:Ubisoft deleted account with hundreds of dollars’ worth o... by josephcsible on Monday December 27, 2021 @01:37AM (#29700056)
> government intervention, which is what many people in this thread are calling for, does not make market inefficiencies better; it makes them worse.

I agree in general. Remember, though, that copyright is government intervention too. Are you in favor of getting rid of that? That would solve this whole problem too, since just downloading a new copy without paying would then be perfectly okay.

Re:Ubisoft deleted account with hundreds of dollars’ worth o... by Dylan16807 on Monday December 27, 2021 @01:31AM (#29700031)
Do you think the first sale doctrine makes the book market more inefficient? Because that's along the lines of what people want for digital goods.
Re:Ubisoft deleted account with hundreds of dollars’ worth o... by watwut on Monday December 27, 2021 @04:13AM (#29700861)
Government being involved in issues like this is the point of government.
Re:Ubisoft deleted account with hundreds of dollars’ worth o... by lentil_soup on Monday December 27, 2021 @01:09AM (#29699919)
In the case of the article Ubisoft is both the developer and owner of the store
Re:Ubisoft deleted account with hundreds of dollars’ worth o... by pdonis on Monday December 27, 2021 @01:19AM (#29699966)
Yes, you're right, I had missed that.