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Re:My Path to Financial Independence as a Software Engineer by solveit on Sunday December 26, 2021 @07:58AM (#29692041)
Yes yes, in the end everyone's success can be distilled down to luck or environment (which we were born into so also luck) or inborn qualities (which are also luck). Merit does not exist and everything is luck.

Or we could notice that merit is still a useful concept, that good decisionmaking is a skill regardless of whether everyone is in a position to use it, and that the previous poster's parents made decisions that were highly beneficial to their child, above and beyond what other parents in comparable situations might have, and that the poster is quite right to be thankful for that. Which funnily enough is the only opinion they voiced, so it's rather a mystery what your needlessly nasty comment is replying to.

Re:My Path to Financial Independence as a Software Engineer by wiseowise on Sunday December 26, 2021 @11:21AM (#29693670)
Who cares? You can only be proud of your achievements if you were born the bottom of the bottoms?
Re:My Path to Financial Independence as a Software Engineer by marcellus23 on Sunday December 26, 2021 @07:54AM (#29692018)
It’s also not his fault at all.
Re:My Path to Financial Independence as a Software Engineer by whimsicalism on Sunday December 26, 2021 @07:59AM (#29692042)
Nobody said it was "his fault" and that is obviously not the point of the acknowledgement starting the post.
Re:My Path to Financial Independence as a Software Engineer by refurb on Sunday December 26, 2021 @09:26AM (#29692586)
So you agree he shouldn’t feel guilty.
Re:My Path to Financial Independence as a Software Engineer by whimsicalism on Sunday December 26, 2021 @11:13AM (#29693587)
Guilty? No. Lucky? Yes.

I think the point of privilege discourse is to undermine the notion of moral "desert," not to encourage guilt over something beyond your control.

Re:My Path to Financial Independence as a Software Engineer by hhmc on Sunday December 26, 2021 @10:09AM (#29692925)
Sure, but thinking privilege is equatable to guilt is missing the point.
Re:My Path to Financial Independence as a Software Engineer by marcellus23 on Sunday December 26, 2021 @11:05AM (#29693500)
I don’t think anyone said that. Lots of people _do_ think you should feel guilt for privilege. Pretending those people don’t exist isn’t helping the progressive movement. It’s important for progressives to acknowledge and counter the people who wave the progressive flag but espouse the opposite of progressive ideals.
Re:My Path to Financial Independence as a Software Engineer by whimsicalism on Sunday December 26, 2021 @11:18AM (#29693633)
I disagree. I see vastly more people claiming that privilege acknowledgement is tied in with guilt who oppose the notion of "privilege" than I see "lots of people" espousing the notion of privilege guilt who actually think we should talk about privilege.

I don't personally believe in reparations as commonly framed, but saying that reparations ought to be paid is also not the same thing as saying people should feel guilty for actions they didn't take.

> It’s important for progressives to acknowledge and counter the people who wave the progressive flag but espouse the opposite of progressive ideals.

I think this can be taken too far. Disavowal can be important at times, but I find there is often a trend among the Right to highlight random views held by an extremely small minority of people (ie. a single tweeting American among 315 million Americans) and demand a disavowal of that rhetoric. I think this is in bad faith.

This comment thread, in my view, is emblematic of this in that simply by using the word "privilege" we are now being asked to disavow something that some nebulous "lots of people" attach to that word, even though the word was clearly not being used in that context here.

Re:My Path to Financial Independence as a Software Engineer by marcellus23 on Sunday December 26, 2021 @11:51AM (#29693976)
Frankly, it’s not a strawman. Look on twitter and you’ll find plenty of evidence of that kind of thinking.

> but I find there is often a trend among the Right to highlight random views held by an extremely small minority of people (ie. a single tweeting American among 315 million Americans) and demand a disavowal of that rhetoric. I think this is in bad faith.

Agreed. Where I disagree is that the left doesn’t do this exact same thing, or that these views are held by “a single tweet” and not, say, entire online communities.

For the record, I generally agree with you, but to the same extent that avowal can go too far, it is very easy to go too far in assuming all ridiculous positions on our side are strawmen. A lot of people do think that way. Nothing wrong with acknowledging privilege — but you don’t need to feel personally guilty over things out of your control like your inherited wealth or your skin color. I think we can all agree on that.

Re:My Path to Financial Independence as a Software Engineer by hhmc on Sunday December 26, 2021 @11:19AM (#29693636)
> Lots of people _do_ think you should feel guilt for privilege.

Except I don't see anyone in this comment thread actully expousing that belief. I _do_ however see a lot of people strawmanning it.

Re:My Path to Financial Independence as a Software Engineer by marcellus23 on Sunday December 26, 2021 @11:53AM (#29694009)
This thread does not contain the entirety of discourse about privilege.
Re:My Path to Financial Independence as a Software Engineer by hhmc on Sunday December 26, 2021 @12:39PM (#29694426)
Sure, but that's a thought-terminating argument.
Re:My Path to Financial Independence as a Software Engineer by marcellus23 on Monday December 27, 2021 @12:41PM (#29704652)
No it’s not. We’re debating about the ways people think about privilege. There’s no requirement that those ways are all expressed in this particular thread. It doesn’t terminate anything — the discussion can continue, but “I don’t see an example of that right here” is not a counter argument.
Re:My Path to Financial Independence as a Software Engineer by joshuamorton on Sunday December 26, 2021 @12:46PM (#29694498)
That's literally what the first two comments on this thread say.