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Re:New York City bans natural gas in new buildings by gautamcgoel on Sunday December 26, 2021 @02:31AM (#29690471)
Why is time-of-use annoying?
Re:New York City bans natural gas in new buildings by dredmorbius on Sunday December 26, 2021 @02:59AM (#29690586)
Presumably: because electric rate charges vary with time of day, while cooking demands are relatively static.

In a high-renewables regime, there's the "duck curve" problem where renewable energy, especially solar power, is most abundant during the midday, whilst demand peaks in the early evening as lighting, heating or cooling loads (depending on season), and you guessed it, cooking loads come on-line.

If you arrive home at 17:30 and plan on eating within the half hour, you're using the most expensive electricity of the day.

That said, total cooking energy use isn't tremendously high (2--3 kW), and most heating tasks consume less than full output for well under an hour. You can operate a cooktop or oven at full heat for an hour for well under $1 unless rates are Texas-level high. That would be seriously atypical usage.

https://www.directenergy.com/learning-center/how-much-energy...

Taking advantage of lower midday rates would be possible with a crock-pot, slow-cooker, sous-vide, or similar methods, though that does require advanced planning and doesn't suit all cooking techniques.

Re:New York City bans natural gas in new buildings by jlebar on Sunday December 26, 2021 @09:02AM (#29692405)
Presumably they're talking about putative electric heating, not cooking.
Re:New York City bans natural gas in new buildings by dredmorbius on Sunday December 26, 2021 @09:06AM (#29692436)
Or cooling.

Both loads are fairly modest in California compared to other parts of the US, though AC usage in the inland valleys may be high, and will likely be getting higher bye and bye.

Whole-house air filtration may also increasingly become A Thing.

Re:New York City bans natural gas in new buildings by zbrozek on Sunday December 26, 2021 @11:03AM (#29693475)
Whole-house air filtering costs me around 100-200 watts depending on filter state. It runs continuously roughly from the end of June to mid-November (particulates season).
Re:New York City bans natural gas in new buildings by dredmorbius on Sunday December 26, 2021 @11:58AM (#29694047)
My comment was more on the likely future of air quality and the past five years' history on the west coast, and implications for future HVAC systems design.

Yes, the energy loads are fairly minimal. Though you'll have a blower, and either replaceable filters or electrostatic filters (themselves requiring an additional power draw).

Re:New York City bans natural gas in new buildings by zbrozek on Sunday December 26, 2021 @10:02AM (#29692856)
Because of the cognitive burden of trying to optimize and work around ludicrously high rates with changing windows. It's why I cling to my outdated tiered plan - I just don't want to let yet another thing steal my attention.

Baking a loaf of bread would cost me $7 at current TOU peak. It's cheaper for me to buy one from the grocery store on energy costs alone, nevermind the material. That's craziness.

And even baseline rates in CA rise at 3-4x inflation. Maybe burning kerosene for lighting will become economically viable again.

Re:New York City bans natural gas in new buildings by zbrozek on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @08:49AM (#29724751)
Following up - I'm currently visiting my parents in eastern Tennessee and asked to see their electric bills. They're all-electric and they averaged 3x the consumption that I do. But their electricity bill is 2x lower. I almost cried.