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Re:Buy a coal mine, drive a gas guzzler, and other uses of r... by Retric on Saturday December 25, 2021 @07:09PM (#29688339)
10kWh LFP’s don’t last the lifetime of the average plug in hybrid due to regenerative breaking adding a lot of charge cycles when total battery capacity is that low.

30m/s to 0 on a 2000kg vehicle = 900000 J or 0.25kWh, on a at best 10kWh battery adds up.

Re:Buy a coal mine, drive a gas guzzler, and other uses of r... by AtlasBarfed on Saturday December 25, 2021 @08:43PM (#29688909)
Really? I remember Jeffrey Dahn saying they were effectively unlimited, for whatever LFP chemistry they were testing, back when the million mile battery was being advertised.

Also LFPs don't have sourcing issues, and I think the minimum range hubrid should be 70 miles, so that would be bigger than 10kwr.

If 10kwhr is only 20-30 miles... I think we should have 25kwhr at a minimum. 20-30 miles becomes like 10 miles in deep winter, and even then the ICE is doing the heat/cooling. You need 70 miles to handle weather range degradation for that sweet 50 mile daily usage range.

Re:Buy a coal mine, drive a gas guzzler, and other uses of r... by Retric on Saturday December 25, 2021 @08:59PM (#29688985)
Bumping things to 25kWh vs 10 kWh and sure that can last the lifetime of the vehicle, but it also means replacing 1 EV with ~3 plug in hybrids vs 8 that the original poster mentioned. And you now have to manufacture and maintain 3 ICE powertrains which further cuts into the savings.

Plug in hybrids can be a great option for many drivers, but IMO they they essentially inherit the downsides of both EV’s and ICE. For example they have issues sitting unused for long periods. Need to replace belts and spark plugs etc. They risk both a battery fire and gasoline fire etc etc.