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Re:Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immu... by lotsofpulp on Friday December 24, 2021 @02:57PM (#29677164)
> Does anyone truly think its acceptable to let people die in ambulances outside of hospitals because a highly contagious disease filled all the hospital beds and medical staff is too fatigued to work? Maybe people with a political axe to grind pretend to think that.

Given widespread availability of vaccines, I think it is acceptable to turn away any non vaccinated people without medical exemptions to preserve hospital capacity.

Re:Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immu... by nradov on Friday December 24, 2021 @03:15PM (#29677314)
In the US, hospitals aren't legally allowed to turn away non vaccinated people due to EMTALA. Also note that there is no 100% reliable way for hospitals to determine a particular patient's vaccination status.

https://www.cms.gov/Regulations-and-Guidance/Legislation/EMT...

Re:Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immu... by kaczordon on Friday December 24, 2021 @03:46PM (#29677578)
Regardless of the legality of turning people away the commenter you’re responding to sounds pretty heartless.
Re:Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immu... by johnisgood on Saturday December 25, 2021 @07:38PM (#29688508)
Yep. We really need to stop this "us versus them" mentality. This looks like a war between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated, while the "people above" are doing their own greedy thing and laughing at us fighting each other.

I wish I could tell people that:

The vaccine does not prevent transmission as much as you think it does.

You do not spread as easily as you think you do, and you can personally attempt to reduce it even further.

You are vaccinated, and if it is indeed effective and you believe in it, you should not be worried much.

The unvaccinated are people too who probably do not have any malicious intent, and most likely pose little, or no risk to you.

Merry Christmas!

Re:Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immu... by smugglerFlynn on Friday December 24, 2021 @03:15PM (#29677311)
Will it be you turning these people away?

Always puzzles me to see people suggesting all these “just let them die” silver bullet algorithms.

Re:Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immu... by novok on Friday December 24, 2021 @04:12PM (#29677780)
It wouldn't be explicit turning away, but if your in a triage situation, most doctors and medical systems will focus on the most time serious and the people they are most able to save if they have limited capacity. And if your not vaccinated, the ability to save you will be less than the vaccinated and the people with other acute medical issues that are not COVID. That is what will happen in practice in such a regime.
Re:Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immu... by dragonwriter on Friday December 24, 2021 @06:34PM (#29678836)
> And if your not vaccinated, the ability to save you will be less than the vaccinated

Is there any evidence that this is true at the point of presenting with equal acute symptoms? Sure, your symptoms are likely to be less acute if you are vaccinated, but that's not the issue, the issue is response to treatment given similar symptoms.

Re:Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immu... by mythrwy on Friday December 24, 2021 @04:58PM (#29678159)
Would you also be of the opinion that, due to the widespread availability of healthy food options and Richard Simmons exercise videos it's acceptable to turn away the overweight to preserve hospital capacity?
Re:Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immu... by jacquesm on Friday December 24, 2021 @06:30PM (#29678806)
That's not how healthcare works, besides that it puts the rest of the population at risk. This isn't the best comment in this thread by a long shot.
Re:Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immu... by logifail on Friday December 24, 2021 @05:13PM (#29678274)
> Given widespread availability of vaccines, I think it is acceptable to turn away any non vaccinated people without medical exemptions to preserve hospital capacity.

Person A is "fully vaccinated", last dose five months ago, hasn't taken a Covid test since.

Person B is unvaccinated, but had a PCR test yesterday and is negative for Covid19.

Let's say you're clinically vulnerable, which of A or B would you rather sit next to during a meal?

Re:Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immu... by brippalcharrid on Friday December 24, 2021 @03:45PM (#29677570)
When you say "unvaccinated" here are you using the currently-accepted official definition which includes people that have received a COVID-19 EUA vaccination/booster within the last 14 days? Do you think that this would be likely to make people that were were concerned about side-effects from the vaccines more or less likely to get vaccinated?