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Re:Running your own email is increasingly an artisanal choic... by spadros on Friday December 24, 2021 @10:34AM (#29674396)
> Sending your mail yourself is the real hard part

No, having quality spam and fraud filtering, and quality security, that you host yourself, is by far the much harder problem. I would argue that outsourcing your email to Proton or Tutanota is not running your own "artisanal" email server. By the way, even with those email providers, I still have terrible spam and fraud emails getting through filters that I never would have seen with my GMail.

Re:Running your own email is increasingly an artisanal choic... by tjoff on Friday December 24, 2021 @10:48AM (#29674535)
Well, on the flip side unless you constantly check your spam folder (which pretty much completely defeats the purpose of a spam filter) you most definitely have lost important mails thanks to gmail.

I just don't see what people see in gmail part from the google brand - which surely isn't a good thing anymore.

Re:Running your own email is increasingly an artisanal choic... by coffeecat on Friday December 24, 2021 @01:37PM (#29676352)
I'm not here to be a Google apologist, but in the 10 or more years that I've used gmail, I don't think I've ever had an important email go to spam.
Re:Running your own email is increasingly an artisanal choic... by bbarnett on Friday December 24, 2021 @02:31PM (#29676939)
Incredible.

Most people I know? It is almost a daily occurrence. Including if senders are in address books, and "not spam" is clicked when found in the spam folder.

Most people I know see legit emails in the spam folder, all the time.

Re:Running your own email is increasingly an artisanal choic... by avsteele on Friday December 24, 2021 @05:04PM (#29678209)
Google workspace sends yes/no meeting confirmations that you make in workspace, to people within your own organization, to spam unless you specifically make a rule to allow them.
Re:Running your own email is increasingly an artisanal choic... by lytefm on Friday December 24, 2021 @05:55PM (#29678581)
For me, this was the main reason to move away from MSFT/GMail to Mailbox.org where I could set the Spam filter to as low as they'd allow.

So far I've been lucky to rarely receive actual spam, but I've often missed out on important emails too often.

Re:Running your own email is increasingly an artisanal choic... by kiwijamo on Friday December 24, 2021 @04:07PM (#29677737)
I still have a @gmail.com account and every time I check it there's a whole lot of spam sitting in the inbox waiting to be classified as spam. Very strange as my main address (which I've had as my main address for almost 20 years) is on FastMail and hardly gets any spam despite the address being much more exposed e.g. it's found on many public mailing lists and it's been part of more data breaches than I can count. Yet it's Gmail that gets the torrent of spam including many obvious ones ending up in the inbox. YMMV of course but I don't rate Gmail highly compared to FastMail and even Office365.
Re:Running your own email is increasingly an artisanal choic... by pyrale on Friday December 24, 2021 @06:55PM (#29678957)
At this point, I suspect the pattern [email protected] is so common that spammers just blindly target it.

My experience is similar, I receive much less spam on my actual mail than I do on gmail.

Re:Running your own email is increasingly an artisanal choic... by kiwijamo on Friday December 24, 2021 @11:52PM (#29680530)
That is possible, my Gmail is indeed [email protected].
Re:Running your own email is increasingly an artisanal choic... by pyrale on Friday December 24, 2021 @06:47PM (#29678921)
> I would argue that outsourcing your email to Proton or Tutanota is not running your own "artisanal" email server.

That's not a claim I'm making. The goal of my message was merely to help people see that there are several steps you can take from using a gmail account to relying on no third party. When I talk to people, they often don't realize this, and especially, how easy it is to set up #1.

> No, having quality spam and fraud filtering, and quality security, that you host yourself, is by far the much harder problem.

Handling spam is not an easy problem, but it's one where you have all the cards to take actions. On the other hand, having your mail properly delivered is something where people have wildly different outcomes, and for people with bad outcomes it's "impossibly hard, and there's no action you can take about it, unless you personally know the right people at the right places".