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Re:South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as f... by joshuahedlund on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @03:42PM (#29654887)
> because it's so significantly more contagious, that even though a smaller percentage of infected people will require ventilators, the absolute number will be high enough to overwhelm hospitals.

This is a legitimate theoretical concern, however empirically it looks like South Africa's hospitalizations are peaking at slightly more than half their previous wave, with deaths on pace to peak even lower[1][2]

[1]https://twitter.com/thehowie/status/1473642495095496704 [2]https://www.nicd.ac.za/diseases-a-z-index/disease-index-covi...

Re:South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as f... by cdrini on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @04:07PM (#29655205)
I believe the scientific consensus is that there isn't enough data to discount that theoretical concern. There's still too much uncertainty on how things will pan out, so the recommendation is boosters + some restrictions. They're not going to make a bet when people's lives are at stake, which seems reasonable to me. With more data coming out, I personally do hope we find that that concern is very unlikely. The situation is changing drastically day-by-day.
Re:South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as f... by JoshuaDavid on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @04:53PM (#29655882)
They are going to make decisions based on incomplete information when people's lives are at stake, decisions where deciding wrong can have material consequences to lives and livelihoods, because choosing not to act is itself a decision.

I do think that the decision that was made to keep pushing boosters and basically do nothing else is probably the correct one, but not because it was the default thing to do and we have to wait until there's incontrovertible evidence that the default action will lead to ruin before doing anything else.

Re:South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as f... by gammarator on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @03:53PM (#29655033)
SA severity may not be representative because of greater prior immunity and a younger age skew.
Re:South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as f... by joshuahedlund on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @04:03PM (#29655151)
Exhibit B will be the UK. Their cases started spiking about two weeks ago. So far their hospitalizations haven't budged and are even a bit lower than they were a month ago, less than a quarter of their pandemic peak[1]

[1]https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare

Re:South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as f... by rich_sasha on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @04:29PM (#29655547)
Hospital admissions are actually up a little: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ (parent link of the one you provided).

That said, deaths are still dropping, and have been dropping since November, which was a local minimum in case numbers.

The pertinent fact, I think, is that the UK is vaccinating like crazy, coming up to 1m boosters per day recently (total population just short of 70m IIRC), even 12-18 year-olds are getting jabbed now.

Re:South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as f... by nooneisanon on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @04:19PM (#29655385)
If you're looking at the UK the daily numbers for London (which is ahead of the rest of England, and the rest of the UK) are here: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas...
Re:South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as f... by joshuahedlund on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @04:39PM (#29655707)
Thanks. Looks like you can filter my link by London as well, which shows hospital admissions have doubled in the last 10 days from about 1/6 to about 1/3 of the previous peak (though patients in hospital is lower at 1/4, possibly reflecting shorter stays but hard to say). London cases have continued spiking since but may possibly be peaking now (not sure how much lag there is in backdating reported cases here) so it will be interesting to see how much the hospital numbers rise from here.
Re:South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as f... by bigodbiel on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @05:33PM (#29656346)
England had high prevalence during the Summer, so not even them, maybe Denmark
Re:South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as f... by ChrisRR on Thursday December 23, 2021 @07:31AM (#29661196)
That is skewed by the vaccinations of course.
Re:South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as f... by abainbridge on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @04:28PM (#29655529)
Comparing SA with itself, omicron looks less severe than delta.