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Re:English has been my pain for 15 years (2013) by cpursley on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @09:43AM (#29649954)
I'm a native English speaker who's studying Russian (my first real attempt at another language). I didn't actually realize how terrible English spelling is until studying a language with a mostly sane writing system (Russian Cyrillic).

My biggest observation is English basics are not that difficult (grammer rules are very easy) but the English writing system needs a total reform. Especially now that it is becoming the default international language (for better or worse).

Re:English has been my pain for 15 years (2013) by pavlov on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @10:02AM (#29650207)
English spelling could be greatly improved by adding accent marks to indicate long vowels. This would fix some of the most ambiguous cases (words like "read" and "live" and "epitome"), and wouldn't alter the spelling for those who want to stick with ASCII.

The funny thing is, most English text today is written on operating systems controlled by just three entities: Google, Apple and Microsoft. A spelling reform would really need to convince just these companies to adopt it in their soft keyboards and spell checkers.

Re:English has been my pain for 15 years (2013) by james_in_the_uk on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @11:12AM (#29651210)
Standardisation is sort of happening by default. In my work I don't both correcting stuff like "color", "optimized", "software license" unless it actually matters. Sometimes this comes in from international colleagues but half the time it's that my own country-folk haven't bothered to change their spellchecker defaults.

[Ironically my own spellcheck has highlighted 'standardisation' for me... and asked do I mean 'standardization' or 'bastardization'. Good question :) ]

Re:English has been my pain for 15 years (2013) by Joker_vD on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @10:17AM (#29650400)
"How is this word pronounced?" ― "Ugh, exactly how it's written? visible confusion"

Compare e.g. to "Worcester" actually being pronounced as "Wooster". Well, why don't you just spell it like this, then? Na-a-ah, it'll be fine.

P.S. Compare "In Russian, letter a is generally pronounced as English a in father" with "In English, letter a can be pronounced as а, эй, or (very wide) э, depending on what else surrounds it: ...". That's the main problem with English spelling: the language itself has way too many vowels to comfortably use only the basic Latin alphabet. Russian actually can, but instead it has much more variety in its consonants: look what Czech and Polish, which have similar problem, have to do to cope with it!

Re:English has been my pain for 15 years (2013) by cpursley on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @11:36AM (#29651582)
Good points. My biggest quip with Russian is when "е" (yeh) is written when it is actually the "ё" (yo) character. My second is the "г" character being pronounced as "в" when surrounded by "о"s. And I often make mistakes on how "о" is accented. I wish they would just use "а" when о is pronounced that way. Other than that, modern Russian writing is very sane. I honestly make more mistakes in English due to it's inadequate writing system, and thats my native language. Go figure.