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Re:Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013) by reidjs on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @07:28PM (#29643948)
I think even considering using a box instead of a crib in the states may get you a visit from child protective services, or at least looks of disgust from your family or in-laws. Does anyone have experience trying this out?
Re:Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013) by analog31 on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @07:48PM (#29644118)
There's a widespread legend that poor parents in the US would put a dresser drawer on the floor. Sometimes the baby came before all of the preparations had been made. Sometimes folks were just poor, or smart, or both.
Re:Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013) by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @09:19PM (#29644841)
I slept in dresser drawers frequently as an infant, or so I've been told. It was convenient when staying with family out of town and the like apparently.
Re:Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013) by pandemicsoul on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @08:29PM (#29644487)
Probably besides the point, but you have an extremely skewed idea of what prompts a visit from Child Protective Services in the United States.
Re:Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013) by rectang on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @10:30PM (#29645312)
https://wehavekids.com/parenting/InsideCPS#what-about-ridicu...

> It does not matter how ridiculous or false a claim may be. When an investigator receives the referral, they are legally obligated to investigate.

It only takes a judgmental busybody to get a visit from CPS. Then you better pray CPS doesn't find fault with you. And it helps if you're white:

https://www.parents.com/news/cps-has-a-systemic-racism-probl...

Re:Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013) by AussieWog93 on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @12:52AM (#29646000)
Neither of those articles contained a shred of evidence to suggest that CPS will take your kids away from you on a whim.
Re:Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013) by rectang on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @01:48AM (#29646250)
Well, you just moved the goalposts from "what prompts a visit", past "what gets your kids taken away", all the way to "what gets your kids taken away on a whim".

I agree that CPS is extraordinarily unlikely to take your kids away "on a whim". And yet, that doesn't mean that innocent folks have nothing to fear from a CPS visit.

The first article clearly shows that CPS will visit for any report at all, no matter how bogus or bizarre. There are controls in place to thwart repeated harassment, but for a first report, they will definitely investigate because they are legally obligated to do so.

And since the original issue was whether you might get a visit for putting your kid in a cardboard box, the answer is plainly "yes".

The follow-on question is whether that visit, investigating a stupid, bogus report, might get your kids taken away. That is going to depend on the judgment of the CPS investigator. And the second article illustrates that those judgements are not always going to be evenhanded.

Re:Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013) by AussieWog93 on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @02:37AM (#29646487)
> Well, you just moved the goalposts from "what prompts a visit"

Fair point. I've just heard so many people make that argument (that your kids will be taken away by the government) that I filled in the blanks.

You're absolutely correct in terms of "getting a visit", and your links back that up.

Re:Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013) by systemBuilder on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @07:55AM (#29648638)
How about leaving your 16 year old twin boys to fend for themselves at home? Yes. We got a visit from CPS ... SHEESH!
Re:Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013) by unlikelymordant on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @07:48PM (#29644117)
> Does anyone have experience trying this out?

Everybody in finland?

Re:Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013) by reidjs on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @08:02PM (#29644234)
Oh I meant suggesting it in the United States. I feel like it would not go over well, unless of course you or your SO are from Finland!
Re:Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013) by boomboomsubban on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @11:30PM (#29645615)
If you called it a disposable crib rather than a cardboard box I bet nobody would object.
Re:Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013) by ddingus on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @08:16AM (#29648880)
Apparently, from the discussion above, some bright bulbs here have banned the boxes, due to a lack of legs.

Perhaps, the US version would need some nubs, or formed legs or other thing to come with the box...

Frankly, when my spouse and I first heard about this, we thought the idea was fantastic.

Re:Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013) by copo233 on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @08:44PM (#29644611)
Define "go over well."
Re:Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013) by reidjs on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @11:56PM (#29645733)
I suspect they might take it as endangering the baby’s wellbeing to save a few bucks. The baby industry has got quite the stranglehold on some people.
Re:Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013) by usrbinbash on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @02:38AM (#29646493)
What people "take it as", and what facts are, are sometimes 2 very different things.

The baby box is a blessing for many families, and it's also much more than the box (which btw. is not a cheap piece of cardboard but comes complete with an insulated mattress and bedding made of high quality materials): there are clothes, diapers, hygienic goods, etc.

And last but not least, it's also a strong symbolic gesture: Society saying: "Don't worry, we got your back. You're not alone, we are all in this together, and we help each other."