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Re:DeFi risks and the decentralisation illusion by bluedevil2k on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @01:21PM (#29640345)
> put up your bitcoins as collateral, borrow stablecoins, buy more bitcoins

Nothing could possibly go wrong with this, right? Tether is found to not have the reserves they claim and it plunges, and the artificial demand for bitcoin disappears and it plunges as well.

Re:DeFi risks and the decentralisation illusion by Osiris on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @02:34PM (#29641152)
DeFi loans are over-collatoralized usually by 1.5-2x.

If you want to borrow $100k, you put up $200k in collateral.

Re:DeFi risks and the decentralisation illusion by anonymousDan on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @02:59PM (#29641400)
Sorry I don't get it. Why would you lock up 200k in order to borrow 100k? Why not just use part of the 200k you already have?!
Re:DeFi risks and the decentralisation illusion by hrhrhrhrhr on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @03:19PM (#29641618)
If you believe that the value of Bitcoin is going to go up, it makes sense to lock is as a collateral and spend the borrowed fiat instead of selling the Bitcoins.
Re:DeFi risks and the decentralisation illusion by majormajor on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @03:53PM (#29641968)
Is there a part of the system that keeps working even if the value of bitcoin stops (being believed to keep) going up all the time?

If ETH or some other new token takes more and more mindshare from btc isn’t that a big inflationary pressure on the crypto ecosystem as a whole? More tokens = less valuable tokens.

At some point buy the dip will turn into cash out.

Re:DeFi risks and the decentralisation illusion by hrhrhrhrhr on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @04:52PM (#29642580)
If the value of Bitcoin stops going up, sooner or later your debt grows larger than the amount you were allowed to borrow and your collateral gets liquidated by someone who implemented the fastest liquidator bot.

https://docs.aave.com/developers/guides/liquidations

Re:DeFi risks and the decentralisation illusion by colinmhayes on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @03:31PM (#29641745)
To lever gains. Now you can "own" 300k worth of bitcoin gains with only 200k worth of bitcoins. Of course the downside is that loses are levered too.
Re:DeFi risks and the decentralisation illusion by Qworg on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @04:14PM (#29642178)
Different tax treatment. Locking up to buy something with the loan doesn't expose you to gains.
Re:DeFi risks and the decentralisation illusion by yokem55 on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @03:34PM (#29641780)
To retain the price exposure of the asset worth 200k while avoiding selling or spending it.
Re:DeFi risks and the decentralisation illusion by giantrobot on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @05:20PM (#29642815)
You gotta pay the upline!