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Re:Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced ... by paulryanrogers on Sunday December 19, 2021 @12:39PM (#29616104)
> They have malicious intentions a priori because they treat controlling others with the same level of discipline as they would choosing which flavour of jam to put on their toast in the morning.

Not everyone advocating lockdowns is necessarily so flippant about it. Some consider the costs carefully. Please keep in mind that hospitals were being overwhelmed long before vaccines were available.

(FWIW I'm not defending absolute lockdowns since going outside with moderate distancing appears to have been safe at every stage of this phenomenon.)

Re:Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced ... by throwaway_2009 on Sunday December 19, 2021 @12:40PM (#29616132)
If you want to lockdown, you can lockdown, and now you are safe. You don't need others to do so, the virus does not travel through windows and walls.

As such the stance is definitionally illogical which makes it flippant - it falls apart under even mild scrutiny.

I've seen about a billion variations on it now, it just gets boring to bat them off. e.g. "if the healthcare system is overwhelmed, you'll die in a minor car crash, so don't go outside, then you won't drive your car or stand near cars, then you can't die in a minor car crash anyway, err... but lockdown though!".

It's tautologically broken. The basic premise is of "not doing X, in order to not do X".

Re:Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced ... by paulryanrogers on Sunday December 19, 2021 @12:43PM (#29616170)
People still need emergency rooms. If those are overwhelmed then anyone needing emergency care will suffer.
Re:Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced ... by throwaway_2009 on Sunday December 19, 2021 @12:48PM (#29616218)
I've addressed this in my comment already.

If we don't lock down and you break your leg, you may not get medical attention.

So let's lock down so that it's impossible to break your leg.

I'm totally happy to accept that contracting coronavirus could be triaged lower than acute chronic conditions, heart attacks, etc, that's an interesting debate to have because healthcare is scarce and therefore an ordering _must_ be chosen.

What makes no sense is just flinging our hands up and saying "well, stop the world for everyone instead".