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Re:Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China by Galanwe on Sunday December 19, 2021 @10:29AM (#29614658)
> if they just stopped talking about Taiwan I doubt many people in the mainland would care

Not at all.

For a mainlander, Taiwan _is_ a region of China, think of it as Hawai for the US.

People in the west see Taiwan as a separate country that China tries to forcibly absorb.

People in mainland see Taiwan as a region of China that tries to be independent.

Also, there is a lot of eyes on the Taiwan case from mainlanders because other regions of China are seen as potential underdogs for independence, due to cultural heritage (and wealth), such as Shangai.

Re:Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China by dustintrex on Sunday December 19, 2021 @10:40AM (#29614735)
And the real shame is that nobody seems to care what the people in Taiwan themselves want. (Which, overwhelmingly, is to be independent and free to go their own way.)
Re:Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China by jessaustin on Sunday December 19, 2021 @11:02AM (#29614902)
For a mainlander, Taiwan _is_ a region of China, think of it as Hawai for the US.

Where I live in the Midwest USA, nobody would care if Hawai'i claimed its independence in some not-harmful-to-tourists-nor-threatening-to-military-fuel-depots fashion.

That doesn't mean it would be easy. Much as was seen in the original USA annexation of Hawai'i, it is very common for interested parties to create violence where none naturally exists.

Re:Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China by ericmay on Sunday December 19, 2021 @11:47AM (#29615473)
> Where I live in the Midwest USA, nobody would care if Hawai'i claimed its independence in some not-harmful-to-tourists-nor-threatening-to-military-fuel-depots fashion.

Also Midwest/Great Lakes and I’m not sure about that. I know I’d be pretty upset about it just as I would be if Texas tried to seriously secede or similar. I wonder what a poll would show? I hadn’t thought about Hawaii like you have but it would be interesting.

I was stationed there too. It felt like America on an island. It was weird.

The Us would never let it happen though. Too strategically important

Re:Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China by gorgoiler on Sunday December 19, 2021 @12:20PM (#29615871)
You might if Fort Knox was in Oahu.

Taiwan still has 400+ tonnes of gold the Guomindang took with them on their way out. I have no idea if good reserves have any relevance in this century but it’s just one part of the long term animosity.

Re:Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China by sudosysgen on Sunday December 19, 2021 @11:08AM (#29614969)
The issue is that Taiwan is military necessary. If the US is allowed an outpost there they will use the encirclement to threaten China's security.
Re:Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China by mthoms on Sunday December 19, 2021 @12:55PM (#29616319)
That’s a pretty bold statement. When has the US ever threatened China’s internal security?
Re:Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China by sudosysgen on Sunday December 19, 2021 @01:04PM (#29616413)
Did you forget the Cold War before Nixon? The Korean War? Even today various officials in the US military are discussion how best to militarily contain China.
Re:Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China by mthoms on Sunday December 19, 2021 @01:17PM (#29616583)
Which of those relates to Chinese internal security?

In other words - aside from containing Chinese/Communist external influence, when has the US threatened China?

Note: I'm not justifying or condemning any of those "external" actions by the US, I'm just curious if you can illustrate a past or ongoing threat to China proper?

Re:Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China by GekkePrutser on Sunday December 19, 2021 @12:45PM (#29616194)
> People in mainland see Taiwan as a region of China that tries to be independent.

They've been 'trying' pretty successfully since 1949 :) Maybe it's time to just cut your losses instead of trying to rebuild the past. You can pretend they're just a territory that wants independence but really the PRC has had no control over it for 72 years.

Re:Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China by carapace on Sunday December 19, 2021 @11:26AM (#29615184)
FWIW in re: the US and Hawaii, a more appropriate metaphor would be China and Tibet.