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Re:Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China by BrazzVuvuzela on Sunday December 19, 2021 @10:07AM (#29614480)
If they did that, I hope they would coordinate the timing with America first. It would be American forces, not so much the EU, that would be helping Taiwan defend against the invasion that would probably follow.
Re:Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China by albeva on Sunday December 19, 2021 @10:17AM (#29614561)
While true, it is often ignored that combined EU does possess a huge, highly advanced and well trained military force.

So more than that I'd hope EU can then put its squabbling aside and respong in unison to any military provocation as well.

Re:Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China by mantas on Sunday December 19, 2021 @10:25AM (#29614622)
How many aircraft careers does EU have? Especially after Brexit...
Re:Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China by angrygoat on Sunday December 19, 2021 @10:33AM (#29614687)
Seven: France (4) Italy (2) Spain (1)

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_carriers_in_s...

Re:Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China by riku_iki on Sunday December 19, 2021 @10:45AM (#29614768)
they listed helicopter carriers there (e.g. Mistral for France).
Re:Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China by BrazzVuvuzela on Sunday December 19, 2021 @10:41AM (#29614741)
That count is a bit deceptive, France has a single aircraft carrier with fixed-wing aircraft, the Charles de Gaulle. The other three are Mistral-class amphibious assault ships with helicopters.
Re:Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China by jessaustin on Sunday December 19, 2021 @11:08AM (#29614963)
The recent conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh proved that the future is here, and no large asset is safe from drones. Even if carriers could deny airspace to cheap tiny airborne loitering munitions (they can't), they have no hope against the submarine variety.
Re:Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China by qnsi on Sunday December 19, 2021 @10:33AM (#29614683)
4, which is more than China has.
Re:Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China by Iolaum on Sunday December 19, 2021 @11:00AM (#29614887)
I 'd say that the EU armies look better in paper than they would in practice.

One example is that several EU armies running out of precision bombs relatively early into the Libyan intervention [1].

[1]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nato-runs-short-on-some...

Re:Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China by Aeolun on Sunday December 19, 2021 @11:43AM (#29615414)
And land armies without tanks! Last I heard the Netherlands had sold off all of theirs :/
Re:Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China by punnerud on Sunday December 19, 2021 @10:38AM (#29614724)
Europe combined have more people and spend way more on military than US. On GDP Europe is lower, but they also have more than 2x the amount of people: https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/European-U...
Re:Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China by martin8412 on Sunday December 19, 2021 @10:52AM (#29614828)
Spending more doesn't mean much if you don't spend it on something worthwhile. Not to mention that the European countries don't count money spent on healthcare, education, etc for veterans as part of the military budget.

The US is definitely overspending for no real benefit, except lining the pockets of defense contractors(and by that, politicians pockets)

Re:Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China by fifilura on Sunday December 19, 2021 @10:52AM (#29614825)
And anyone who has played a couple of games of Risk knows how much that is worth...
Re:Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China by BrazzVuvuzela on Sunday December 19, 2021 @10:33AM (#29614689)
Advanced weapons and good training, but lacking in the force projection in the Pacific department, relative to America anyway.
Re:Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China by GekkePrutser on Sunday December 19, 2021 @01:06PM (#29616453)
On the other hand, we don't really have any business being there. So why would we. We're not the world police.

In the EU we view the "Department of Defense" as a tool for actual defense. Not for invading the middle east for corporate benefit. We've been dragged into this several times by the US in the last decades and it's always been a huge failure and has sometimes led to worse threats (ISIS for example which was much more of a threat to us than Saddam Hussein was)

A land war against China is not winnable anyway. I do think we should help Taiwan if it comes to it. But this should just come down to strategic deterrents. There's no point sending armies. By the time they get there it's too late anyway.

Our main threat right now is mainly Russia. And mainly so because they view us as enemies. But having entire tank brigades like in the cold war won't do us any good. This is not how the next war will be fought.

Re:Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China by BrazzVuvuzela on Sunday December 19, 2021 @01:13PM (#29616533)
To be clear, I'm not faulting the EU for it. The EU should be concerned more with their own security, particularly if America gets tied up with China and is consequently less capable of helping to defend the EU against Russia.