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Re:Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indi... by rg111 on Saturday December 18, 2021 @01:00PM (#29606734)
These monkeys are not fatally dangerous if that's what GP is saying.

But they cause heavy and serious nuisance.

Where I live, these monkeys invade gradens, agricultural fields, house rooftops at least 4-5 times a month.

The locals drop anything they do, and chase away these monkeys.

When chased by an adult male human, these monkeys don't fight back and are easily frightened. They don't mess with adult males or groups of humans.

A kid or a lone woman is not safe, though. When faced by them, monkeys gesture retaliation, and that is enough frightening.

An adult male cannot physically take on a monkey. It is impossible. Still they don't attack.

They steal bananas, mangos, guavas- all kinds of fruits, any food item not indoors, and destroy flowers and plants.

Thus, for families depending on these as their source of income have to always remain vigilant to monkey invasions. Common methods include- stone being thrown directly at them intending full harm, pebbles thrown by slingshots, and firecrackers. Banging metal objects loudly also seems to help.

We have mango groves that we lend on a yearly basis. The people who lease them from us establish outposts during the mango season which are always manned by at least one man with ready reinforcement in case of monkey invasion.

For those families not depending financially on tree products are also harmed. They make growing flowering plants difficult. They steal food from outdoors, and not to mention the awfully smelling solid and liquid excretion they leave on your rooftops.

(All rooftops are flat in the plains region, and they are important in our lives.)

By the way, I lost one pomelo (Citrus maxima) to a bunch of monkeys this very afternoon.

Re:Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indi... by throwaway2331 on Saturday December 18, 2021 @03:09PM (#29608058)
> An adult male cannot physically take on a monkey. It is impossible. Still they don't attack.

Are you positive?

A chimpanzee: yes. A guerilla: indubitable. But a monkey?

They seem like medium-sized dogs, that can move around quicker and more freely. They'll bite out your flesh, and perhaps maim you to a semi-serious degree (including infection), but I cannot fathom a monkey seriously killing a grown adult male human being.

These are 20-40lb, very aggressive racoons. If you shock them with anything, they're most likely going to flee for fear of serious injury.

Re:Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indi... by vijaybritto on Saturday December 18, 2021 @03:43PM (#29608336)
> But a monkey?

Oh boy never test this out. They will attack violently and will not spare you. If they have enough numbers or have the pack leader(usually the one with the biggest balls) close by then they will retaliate. I'm from south India and I have seen a lot of grown up men get roughed up by monkeys

Re:Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indi... by 2-718-281-828 on Saturday December 18, 2021 @04:18PM (#29608610)
"roughed up" sounds like getting a beating. but I'd assume they rip your face off and stuff. care to elaborate?
Re:Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indi... by vijaybritto on Saturday December 18, 2021 @11:37PM (#29611366)
Yes they will scratch/bite you a lot. But they'll leave you after a while. They're not extremely violent like predators eating us. They only retaliate
Re:Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indi... by 2-718-281-828 on Sunday December 19, 2021 @11:40AM (#29615363)
so they don't rip your face off - understood
Re:Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indi... by polotics on Saturday December 18, 2021 @04:37PM (#29608769)
A Macaque, maybe 15 kg in weight, has the aggression claws and muscle to take on any non-beefy human and win, not doubt about that.
Re:Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indi... by mattkrause on Saturday December 18, 2021 @08:29PM (#29610510)
Male macaques also have very large canines, and massive jaw muscles to use them. A bite that severs a major blood vessel could end very badly.

They also move a lot more...three-dimensionally than you might imagine, making it hard to predict where they're going.

Re:Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indi... by throwaway2331 on Saturday December 18, 2021 @09:19PM (#29610770)
I've been looking through monkey bites, and they're a lot more tame on human skin than they are on other monkeys.

Macaques have large teeth and strong jaw muscles (as do dogs); but unlike dogs (or say even piranhas), it doesn't look like monkeys rip and tear flesh like canids. Their mouths are a lot like human mouths: incisors in the front, two canines on either side, and a bunch of (pre)molars, indicative of omnivores. The two canines will definitely pierce the skin. The incisors, most likely as well; but the molars are absolutely useless here.

Whereas dogs (and more specifically sharks) have "saw-like" teeth, that combined with strong neck muscles (and a propensity to grab hold, and shake vigorously, as if they're literally sawing away flesh), make them a lot more lethal to most land mammals.

If we include monkey eating habits, I don't see any large mammals on the list (all the mammals they may eat are smaller than them); compare that to the canid family, that will hunt down mammals many times larger than them. I just don't see how the monkey is built to be able to kill a human being.

Granted, it's going to hurt a lot to get bitten by a monkey. But I just don't see how a 40lb mammal can do that much damage. If you can somehow restrain it by the neck, it's basically over for any mammal of that size without claws (or another means of escape) -- which monkeys don't seem to have.

Now, if we're talking a chimpanzee? I'm going to do everything in my power to get out of that situation. But a monkey? A large dog is more of a threat.

Re:Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indi... by stjohnswarts on Saturday December 18, 2021 @10:38PM (#29611095)
That's all well and good until 5 of them jump on you and sink 2 inch canine teeth in you...
Re:Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indi... by throwaway2331 on Sunday December 19, 2021 @12:48AM (#29611706)
I feel after the first few bites, you'd be running on adrenaline.

At that point, I believe it's apt to start elbow-dropping, curb-stomping, and punting monkeys.

If for some unknown reason, 5 monkeys ambushed me on a regular walk, I'm confident I could throw enough of a fuss that'd dissuade them from trying to steal my lunch.

Now 10 monkeys? I don't know. That's a lot of monkeys.

I don't think I'm ever going to encounter 10 monkeys, all set on turning me into tartare.

However, if I were to have my jimmies rustled by 10 monkeys at the same time, I would put it at 2:1 odds that I survive without life-threatening injuries.

Re:Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indi... by mattkrause on Monday December 20, 2021 @02:07PM (#29628706)
I would agree that you could dissuade a few monkeys from taking your sandwich. Animals don't particularly want to fight: even a "victory" could end badly if you live in a world without antibiotics, splints, or indeed any medical care.

On the other hand, if you backed five desperate monkeys into corner so that they think they are fighting for their lives, I think you'd fare much worse. I'd bet "punt attempts" sometimes end with the monkey clinging to your leg instead, chomping away at whatever they can reach (and even the molars can do some damage given the tremendous bite force).

Re:Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indi... by tgsovlerkhgsel on Saturday December 18, 2021 @06:42PM (#29609867)
Win, or injure the human so badly that they won't pick the fight again before the human kills it, assuming the human actually fights to kill?

I have no doubt it's not wise to fight a monkey, but I wouldn't expect it to actually win.

Re:Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indi... by fellellor on Sunday December 19, 2021 @03:03AM (#29612270)
As an adult male, I’d rather not get my flesh bitten off or maimed. So I cannot engage in a fight with any monkey. The only fight that I would rather fight is one in which I have overwhelming odds of winning.
Re:Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indi... by dhosek on Monday December 20, 2021 @01:33AM (#29622060)
Monkey bite your face off
Re:Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indi... by tgsovlerkhgsel on Saturday December 18, 2021 @06:41PM (#29609860)
> An adult male cannot physically take on a monkey.

Really? I would expect that the inevitable injuries aren't worth it, but I'd expect this to be the case on both sides, with the monkey ending up significantly worse off if the human were to actually consider it a fight-to-kill-or-be-killed, not a "make the nuisance go away".

What I don't understand though: If the monkeys are such a nuisance, why are they tolerated? Is there a religious taboo against hurting them? Legal protection? Strict limits on what kind of weapons people can have?

Re:Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indi... by rg111 on Sunday December 19, 2021 @12:05AM (#29611508)
Religious taboo is held by some of the Indians. Not all or even most of them.

A religious granny wouldn't want to kill a monkey, but if her grandson is threatened? Hell yes.

And, yes, they are protected by wildlife conservation laws.

Re:Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indi... by fault1 on Saturday December 18, 2021 @07:35PM (#29610221)
yes, i'd say there is both societal taboo (especially outright culling them rather than just throwing stones at them to chase them away) and legal restrictions: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/23/world/asia/fed-by-indians...

I would say that at least in north east india, monkeys didn't seem to be a huge problem. There are langurs everywhere, but they mostly stick to trees or the jungle, or sometimes the outskirts of towns. I think it's probably because they have plenty of places to eat there relative to the more urbanized parts of the country.

Re:Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indi... by RickJWagner on Saturday December 18, 2021 @10:18PM (#29611014)
If slingshots are used, would a pellet gun be effective? They are inexpensive and can be fairly powerful. (Some pellet guns propel metal projectiles at speeds around 1,000 fps, which can be fatal to a human if incredibly well placed.)
Re:Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indi... by rg111 on Sunday December 19, 2021 @12:07AM (#29611522)
Pellet guns would be illegal.

These monkeys are protected by wildlife conservation act.

Some weeks back, some guy poisoned a few pigeons that ate his crops that were being dried in the sun.

Last I heard that the police lodged a criminal case against him.

It was on the newspapers.

Re:Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indi... by cute_boi on Saturday December 18, 2021 @01:21PM (#29606984)
I understand but aren't we to be blame for this? We took their home, we took their shelter and what can they do? And they don't have enough wisdom to know who they should harm and who they shouldn't.

And many of monkey i know here are too friendly but yea after they starts to live with humans they learn to hoodwink people because many thieves are known to use monkey to snatch valuables from tourist by providing bananas as incentives to them.

Re:Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indi... by perl4ever on Saturday December 18, 2021 @08:41PM (#29610570)
There have been articles, probably also threads on HN, about monkeys enslaved and used to harvest crops or something. I don't remember all the details, but they pull out their teeth so they can't bite, and coerce them into working much faster than humans could.
Re:Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indi... by xaedes on Sunday December 19, 2021 @08:28AM (#29613756)
Sounds pretty gruesome. However, the concept of it seems to be ancient. The great Indian epic of Ramayana has a part that tells how they build Adam's / Rama's bridge to Sri Lanka with the "help" of monkeys:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Monkeys_and_Bears_Bui...

Re:Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indi... by tgsovlerkhgsel on Saturday December 18, 2021 @06:43PM (#29609883)
> We took their home

We are an animal and part of nature too.

> And they don't have enough wisdom to know who they should harm and who they shouldn't.

They seem pretty smart about it tbh. They know what they can get away with and go no further than that.