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Re:President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment by gumby on Friday December 17, 2021 @04:10PM (#29598385)
This has been the policy of the USA for decades (e.g. pentagon script approval, military subsidies for professional sports (in exchange for an antitrust exemption) etc. Is this really any different?

This comment is not intended to praise or support the CCP, but just to provide some context. I think the US government should be staying out of content as well.

Re:President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment by coliveira on Friday December 17, 2021 @07:16PM (#29599990)
You're right, from the point of view of Americans it is OK to influence every aspect of life in other countries, but if the reverse occurs it is the end of the world. Given that China is quickly becoming the richest country of the world, it is just normal they will have more and more influence in American society, just looking from the economic point of view. Consider for example how Japan started having a cultural influence around the world in the 80s. The same will happen with China.
Re:President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment by gumby on Friday December 17, 2021 @08:09PM (#29600397)
China is quite far from being the richest country in the world by any measure.
Re:President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment by coliveira on Saturday December 18, 2021 @03:04PM (#29608021)
You can fool yourself as long as you want. Just stop reading the news.
Re:President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment by gumby on Saturday December 18, 2021 @08:57PM (#29610652)
I look at the underlying data. The news is full of excitable suggestion because that gets attention.

China's managed to lift a huge number of people out of poverty and deserves credit for that. They did it at a terrific cost in human life and rights and they deserve opprobrium for that, in particular for the continued and now increasing level. We have plenty of examples from history that such an approach is not sustainable.

Regardless, if you look at the numbers the odds of significant further growth are dubious. China remains quite poor on per capita GDP, even on a PPP basis it is in the lower half of countries. It has an enormous unemployment problem, and a huge demographic overhang. Corruption, false statistics, and cronyism remain dominant in the economy and government, more reminiscent of a small state than a massive one, and all of which make it very difficult to manage large shocks.

I'm not saying the PRC is some benign kumbaya entity. But they have deep structural weaknesses that are not discussed much because it's more useful to various people to point elsewhere.

Re:President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment by coliveira on Saturday December 18, 2021 @09:42PM (#29610867)
> China remains quite poor on per capita GDP, even on a PPP basis it is in the lower half of countries.

This is exactly why China has such a huge growth ahead. Just to get to the level of countries like Australia this will make their economy several times the size of US.

Re:President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment by toomuchtodo on Sunday December 19, 2021 @02:21AM (#29612101)
China’s population is already too old and their total fertility rate decline too steep for the growth you’re arguing for to occur.
Re:President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment by coliveira on Sunday December 19, 2021 @06:30PM (#29619687)
By the way, US fertility rate is 1.63, far lower than the replacement rate of 2. This means that the US is also under a generational population decline.
Re:President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment by toomuchtodo on Sunday December 19, 2021 @06:38PM (#29619796)
China’s official fertility rate is 1.7, but there is evidence they’re (of course) lying about the data and it’s closer to 1.3 [1]. The US can support a lower total fertility rate with immigration and its existing wealth and dollar reserve status. China cannot.

[1] https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/11/04/china-one-child-policy-...

Re:President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment by surge on Sunday December 19, 2021 @11:05PM (#29621474)
Yeah it doesn't help there's like a 1:3 female to male ratio, even if they wanted to meet replacement rate, thanks to one child policy incentivizing parents get abortions or committing infanticide until they had a son, they don't have enough wombs to go around. A lot of angry desperate young males though, which is causing different societal problems, kidnappings of females from other countries, etc.
Re:President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment by coliveira on Monday December 20, 2021 @10:44AM (#29626149)
This cuts both ways. The problem is that the US is already developed and the lower fertility rate will only keep up what they have. China has a lot of people who are, in this generation, coming out of poverty, and this will continue for decades, until the possible downsides of fertility show up.

Moreover, the US is changing its immigration policies exactly at the moment they need it most, which seems to be another tragic mistake.

Re:President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment by coliveira on Sunday December 19, 2021 @12:38PM (#29616094)
Certainly not as old as Europe, so they'll probably get at least to that level.