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Re:Worker pay isn’t keeping up with inflation by oblio on Friday December 17, 2021 @06:09AM (#29590642)
You don't need to believe anything, you can check for yourself. The numbers are easily available online.

Healthcare is 2-3-4 times <<more expensive in the US>>.

Education is generally <<free or very cheap outside the US>>.

Housing is expensive outside the US, too, a bit less so.

I feel the problem is not regulation in the US, it's that you half ass it. Americans are all about "rugged individualism" and "small government" when advanced societies are advanced because large groups of people work well together, which is the opposite of individualism. I've been in places where there is an extreme emphasis on individualism and they generally they don't look good (for example Eastern Europe does it due to a huge negative legacy of forced collectivism).

Re:Worker pay isn’t keeping up with inflation by mrep on Friday December 17, 2021 @06:31AM (#29590808)
The US has the 3rd lowest housing price to income ratio [0]. You just need to avoid the west coast and northeast and you can find plenty of affordable housing [1].

[0]: https://www.numbeo.com/property-investment/rankings_by_count...

[1]: https://www.supermoney.com/inflation-adjusted-home-prices/

Re:Worker pay isn’t keeping up with inflation by deadbunny on Friday December 17, 2021 @07:14AM (#29591155)
How does the availability of jobs/salaries map to that though? Sure you might be able to buy a 2000sqft house for $40k but what salary are you on?
Re:Worker pay isn’t keeping up with inflation by oblio on Friday December 17, 2021 @06:53AM (#29590989)
Interesting.
Re:Worker pay isn’t keeping up with inflation by cheeseomlit on Friday December 17, 2021 @09:28AM (#29592592)
I do think our regulation is half-assed, but that's mostly due to corruption and regulatory capture. I don't think it has anything to do with our penchant for rugged individualism, and far more to do with price-fixing healthcare cartels, cronyism, a ridiculously broken healthcare insurance system, and lawmakers who have been lobbied hard to not break up these schemes. Regulations have to actually be enforced (not selectively) to do any good, and they have to be created by people without perverse incentives. Small government is not the problem, it's corrupt government
Re:Worker pay isn’t keeping up with inflation by nickpp on Friday December 17, 2021 @06:14AM (#29590670)
Nothing is "free" anywhere - it's just paid from a different pocket. From people's taxes in those "other" countries.

And the quality of state-provided healthcare is significantly worse than in US. Most people with means get private medical insurance skipping the one purchased by their taxes entirely.

Eastern Europe has two huge problem completely overshadowing their advantage from less regulation: a strong culture of corruption instilled by the years of communism and a gigantic brain drain to a west more than happy to lower their own costs (in health care as well) with the best of the cheap, highly educated Eastern workforce.

Re:Worker pay isn’t keeping up with inflation by oblio on Friday December 17, 2021 @06:21AM (#29590717)
If the tax burden is 10% more but you pay 2-3-4-10x less, your point is moot.

And countries with comparable stats like waiting times pay less overall.

Don't die on this hill, it's not worth it.

Re:Worker pay isn’t keeping up with inflation by nickpp on Friday December 17, 2021 @06:36AM (#29590849)
Living in Eastern Europe, I am paying both the tax burden AND private medical insurance and care since I do not want to end up in state hospitals. I would much rather live in the USA and pay private insurance enjoying the standard of care there.

It's the hill I live on, so I will probably die here.

Re:Worker pay isn’t keeping up with inflation by oblio on Friday December 17, 2021 @06:51AM (#29590973)
Well, do what all reasonable Eastern Europeans do and go to an OECD country minus Mexico or Hungary or so :-))
Re:Worker pay isn’t keeping up with inflation by nickpp on Friday December 17, 2021 @06:58AM (#29591029)
I did that for a while, but I'd rather be part of the solution: I can do much more good and help many more people over here.

And I also do not enjoy the hard left turn of the recent Western politics. Although I am sure they will realize their mistake eventually and turn back to the principles that brought their prosperity - I am afraid it will be a bumpy ride.