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Re:Ask HN: Are most of us developers lying about how much wo... by bentlegen on Thursday December 16, 2021 @04:55PM (#29584499)
If a company is doing its job correctly, a 10x engineer should not be leveled the same as a 1x engineer. (It's more complicated than that but, y'know.)
Re:Ask HN: Are most of us developers lying about how much wo... by loeg on Thursday December 16, 2021 @07:55PM (#29586278)
Yeah, but you have to go up quite a few levels to make 10x the pay. E.g., a Google L5 makes (ballpark) $360k. An L8 makes (ballpark) $1M. That's only 3x higher, and you probably need a lot more than 10x impact to go L5 -> L8. An L4 makes $270k, still within ~1/4 of an L8. L3s are paid almost 200k, which is still ~1/5 of an L8.

I don't know what L9s or 10s are paid; it's probably highly variable and the total number are probably a handful.

Re:Ask HN: Are most of us developers lying about how much wo... by johnhowardstein on Thursday December 16, 2021 @08:31PM (#29586597)
Advancement at Google is tied heavily to being on the right projects to the extent that I think you're way overselling the extent to which the higher levels will be better at their jobs.
Re:Ask HN: Are most of us developers lying about how much wo... by loeg on Friday December 17, 2021 @11:02AM (#29593983)
That seems plausible; I don’t work there. I think that further supports the argument that “10x engineers” are not paid 10x.
Re:Ask HN: Are most of us developers lying about how much wo... by 8note on Thursday December 16, 2021 @10:03PM (#29587181)
if the company is doing its job correctly, its paying the 10x engineer even less than the 1x engineer.

if the engineer is doing their job correctly, they are negotiating to be paid more than tne 1x

Re:Ask HN: Are most of us developers lying about how much wo... by cutemonster on Saturday December 18, 2021 @07:04PM (#29610028)
> paying the 10x engineer even less than the 1x engineer

Why is that a good idea? Isn't there a risk that s/he will then quit?

Re:Ask HN: Are most of us developers lying about how much wo... by soperj on Thursday December 16, 2021 @10:25PM (#29587318)
that's one way to get a lot of 1x engineers...