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Re:Smartphones Are a New Tax on the Poor by outside1234 on Thursday December 16, 2021 @10:49AM (#29579380)
You can get an iPhone 8 for $200 on eBay.

And that is a luxury device - I am sure there are Android phones that are much cheaper.

Re:Smartphones Are a New Tax on the Poor by consp on Thursday December 16, 2021 @10:54AM (#29579440)
Please do realize 200$ is quite a lot of money for many people.
Re:Smartphones Are a New Tax on the Poor by zamadatix on Thursday December 16, 2021 @11:30AM (#29580011)
I don't think it's about "is $<x> a lot of money":

> According to 2020 numbers from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, those in the lowest 20 percent of income earners spent $150 more a year on their cell phones than they did in 2016.

I spend $180/y for unlimited talk/text with 5 GB data per month using Verizon's network through US Mobile. It's a prepaid monthly plan, no credit, no contract. You also have the option to use T-Mobile's GSM network if your existing phone is incompatible or coverage is better in your area. For phones there are plenty of options in the $200 range, both used like GP mentions and new. On the new side I recently picked up 2 Galaxy A12 for the niece/nephew, $170 each. They started on Android 10 but have gotten 11 and are due to get 12 year (and a few patches after that but not likely 13).

So for <$240 a year folks should be able to be connected to decent new phones and service yet in the last 4 years people in the lowest 20% income bracket have been led to spend 2/3 of that more in addition to what they were already paying. I'm not sure where the exact numbers are in the linked source but I'd be curious if these folks are being led to spend more than I am on my high end phone and phone plan.

For that price these folks are getting a lot of value and I don't think that's a problem in itself more than fulfilling any other modern life need is a problem for low income folks. I think the real problem is a combination of predatory tactics from the market as described in the article and lack of knowledge of alternatives amongst low income people. It's hard to learn where you can get a quality phone and plan when you don't have internet and the local T-Mobile store's $0 up front plan is the only way you will have a phone for work next week.

Re:Smartphones Are a New Tax on the Poor by sithadmin on Thursday December 16, 2021 @11:01AM (#29579533)
It's 2-3 days' labor at California's minimum wage (allowing for 'take home' pay being reduced by taxes, etc). That still might be a significant cost to many, but it's not unaffordable and is a pretty good value proposition given the utility and entertainment one gets from a mobile device.
Re:Smartphones Are a New Tax on the Poor by basisword on Thursday December 16, 2021 @11:14AM (#29579725)
If you already labour every day and can just about afford bills, rent, and food (which is the case for a lot of people) then 2-3 days labour is completely unaffordable. They’re just getting by and can’t do anymore.
Re:Smartphones Are a New Tax on the Poor by ygjb on Thursday December 16, 2021 @11:15AM (#29579745)
2-3 days labour to buy an outdated device that will stop receiving updates most likely in 2022.

Sounds alot like Captain Vimes' boots theory of socioeconomic unfairness. Some people are just too poor to be able to buy a pair of good boots.

Re:Smartphones Are a New Tax on the Poor by throwaway946513 on Thursday December 16, 2021 @11:31AM (#29580042)
While you're not wrong about the complaint for the price and the age of the device.

The iPhone 6s is still receiving update, though it may not be long for this world, the iPhone 7 and 8 are still one and two years newer than said 6s - as such would likely receive updates a year and two years additional. That would put the iPhone 8 End-of-Life at 2024. That's 2 years out, and the 6s hasn't even finished receiving updates, so closer to 3 years out.

Re:Smartphones Are a New Tax on the Poor by comprev on Thursday December 16, 2021 @11:02AM (#29579537)
This is HN and the demographic might not even register $200 as "quite a lot".
Re:Smartphones Are a New Tax on the Poor by midhhhthrow on Thursday December 16, 2021 @11:30AM (#29580020)
I’m on a iPhone 7 with a cracked screen. You could probably get that on eBay for less than 70$. And everything still works. Just gotta be a bit mindful when swiping And don’t use the dang thing too much
Re:Smartphones Are a New Tax on the Poor by francisofascii on Thursday December 16, 2021 @11:16AM (#29579752)
Sure, but that cost pales in comparison to healthcare and housing costs.
Re:Smartphones Are a New Tax on the Poor by robscallsign on Thursday December 16, 2021 @11:00AM (#29579509)
It's also the ongoing cost of the voice and data plans, replacement cost of the phone if/when it breaks, replacement cost of the phone when the $3 Trillion dollar tech company forces it to be obsolete, replacement cost for the battery they don't let you service.
Re:Smartphones Are a New Tax on the Poor by marginalia_nu on Thursday December 16, 2021 @11:05AM (#29579598)
> replacement cost

I got fed up with replacing my phone, so I've started getting those rugged phones marketed at construction workers. They're pretty amazing. I've submerged mine in water, dropped it in all sorts of surfaces (including concrete, gravel), gotten snow on it, gotten mud on it. The screen is immaculate. I've owned it for a few years and it still has something like 40h+ battery life. Best phone I've ever bought.

Re:Smartphones Are a New Tax on the Poor by sojournerc on Thursday December 16, 2021 @11:15AM (#29579739)
Which phone if you don't mind? I've spent the effort to replace screens & batteries when they go bad or are broken, but frankly when the replacement screen is 50% of the original phone price it just doesn't seem worth it... Although I still want to from an e-waste perspective
Re:Smartphones Are a New Tax on the Poor by marginalia_nu on Thursday December 16, 2021 @11:19AM (#29579815)
I currently have a CAT S52.

Some downsides is that it's pretty heavy and comes with bundle-ware from John Deere (easy enough to uninstall). It's not a fast or pretty phone by any standard, but my phone use is very basic so for me it matters more that it lasts than bells and whistles.