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Re:Plans you're not supposed to talk about by yongjik on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @05:20PM (#29558872)
You had me until the last paragraph. If "smugly" insisting X would make them dig in their heels, what are we supposed to do? Say "Oh of course it's totally in your rights, please send your unvaccinated children to the same school my kids go to"? Because I don't think it will change their minds either.

What happened to "personal responsibility" that these people like so much? If the whole country tells these people to get vaccinated, they don't, and they die, then I don't think I should be held responsible for being smug, or snarky, or whatever.

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Re:Plans you're not supposed to talk about by AnimalMuppet on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @05:57PM (#29559296)
The vaccines don't prevent those things. They do lower the probability - or at least, that's the claim. That's not perfection, but it's not nothing, either.

As to whether the claim is accurate... that's outside the scope of this comment.

Re:Plans you're not supposed to talk about by taejavu on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @06:05PM (#29559380)
Who's claiming that? My impression is that official sources are now acknowledging it does nothing but lessen the chance of serious illness & hospitalisation for the person taking it.
Re:Plans you're not supposed to talk about by ifdefdebug on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @06:28PM (#29559604)
Your impression is wrong, infection protection is still on the table.
Re:Plans you're not supposed to talk about by shkkmo on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @06:22PM (#29559549)
That claim is pretty widespread and ubiquitous among the scientific literature. You might consider reassessing your news sources if they have been telling you otherwise.

I believe that the emphasis on the reduction of the chance of serious illness & hospitalization is because people believe that all the people who would be motivated to get vaccinated out of altruism are already vaccinated.

Re:Plans you're not supposed to talk about by the_doctah on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @06:33PM (#29559643)
Pretty crazy how every single vaccinated person I know has tested positive for Covid since. I guess I and they must be outliers.

If there is some protection from spread, it's garbage protection.

Re:Plans you're not supposed to talk about by SamoyedFurFluff on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @06:36PM (#29559685)
That you anecdotally know vaccinated people who got Covid and that Covid vaccines lower the chance of being infected with Covid can both be true?
Re:Plans you're not supposed to talk about by the_doctah on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @06:41PM (#29559733)
Yes, I knew I would get called out for an anecdote on this website. Thanks for not disappointing.
Re:Plans you're not supposed to talk about by lovich on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @04:13PM (#29571712)
Perhaps you shouldn’t knowingly use flawed arguments if you don’t wish for the flaw to be called out
Re:Plans you're not supposed to talk about by shkkmo on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @11:50PM (#29562241)
Meanwhile, among the many people I know who have been vaccinated, there's been just a single breakthrough case, and that case was due to catching covid from an unnvaccinated co-worker.

Since you seem a bit confused, here's what we know and don't know AFAIK:

1) Vaccination reduces your chance of getting infected. The efficacy depends on the strain of covid and the vaccine, but I have yet to see any science indicating that any vaccine has no efficacy against any strain.

2) Vaccination may or may not reduce your infectiousness while you are sick

3) Vaccination does reduce the average duration of infection, which means that while you may be as infectious as a non-vaccinated person while you are sick, you have a shorter window in which to spread that sickness.

So despite the unclearness of #2, we are very clearly able to say that vaccines reduce transmission because of #1 and #3.

Re:Plans you're not supposed to talk about by the_doctah on Thursday December 16, 2021 @12:00PM (#29580454)
Thanks for the assessment, but I'm not "confused" at all. Maybe if the pro-vaccine-mandate crowd wasn't so snide and insufferable people might take you more seriously.
Re:Plans you're not supposed to talk about by shkkmo on Friday December 17, 2021 @10:26AM (#29593420)
Where do you see me advocating for vaccine mandates?

If there is a part of my comment you found snide, please let me know as that was not my intent.

Re:Plans you're not supposed to talk about by AnimalMuppet on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @06:19PM (#29559524)
That's not my impression. My impression is that official sources are claiming that it reduces the chances that you get it at all, and maybe reduces the chances that you'll pass it on as well.

I have never (that I recall) seen an official source saying what you claim. (Mind you, I'm not saying that you're wrong in your assessment of the effectiveness of the vaccine. I'm not even saying that you're wrong in your read of what officials are claiming - just that I have never seen it.)

Can you point me to someone official making that claim? And, what country are you in?

Re:Plans you're not supposed to talk about by JimTheMan on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @07:48PM (#29560452)
They lower your chance of getting covid by about 50% if exposed and lower your chance of spreading it if you get it by about 50%.

So.. It's not perfect at stopping transmission but you can see how it would definitely reduce the R0 enough to prevent outbreaks in the non-vaccinate pops.