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Re:Nextspace: a desktop environment that brings a NeXTSTEP l... by jrm4 on Monday December 13, 2021 @10:30PM (#29547869)
You, in passing, nailed exactly what's wrong with Apple's way of doing UI.

"Niche tricks you have to learn?" That's ridiculous. It's perfectly fine to do a great default UI that most people like without any adjustment -- but it's preposterous that there's no "go in and change just about whatever you want how you want (even if that option is in the way back)."

This is why I've been hardcore Linux for quite some time.

Re:Nextspace: a desktop environment that brings a NeXTSTEP l... by jolux on Monday December 13, 2021 @11:00PM (#29548068)
I didn’t think this was niche, I’m pretty sure this has been an iPhone feature since day 1. I used to trigger it by mistake on the small screens.

It’s also not really a critical gesture, it’s a power user feature like keyboard shortcuts on a desktop system. It’s there if you need it but you can also grab the scroll bar and drag it to the top to do the same thing.

> This is why I've been hardcore Linux for quite some time.

Good thing Linux has no niche tricks that have to be learned to use it.

I kid, I love Linux, but this is a weird criticism to have of iOS which, interface wise, is far simpler than any Linux distro I’ve ever used.

Re:Nextspace: a desktop environment that brings a NeXTSTEP l... by jrm4 on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @12:02PM (#29554027)
Someone said it much better way up above but -- yes, Apple has "niche tricks that are hard to even know about, because Apple actively hides things from you and secretly changes things without telling you."

Linux is "Yep, this isn't easy, but it's generally well documented and talked about. It may take some work to get there, but it won't be mysterious and unexpected like Apple."

Re:Nextspace: a desktop environment that brings a NeXTSTEP l... by kaba0 on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @03:37AM (#29549553)
Could you sit in front of Blender, Microsoft Office, GIMP or Photoshop without previous knowledge of them and do anything at all with them? What about IDEs? Please see my other comment where I go into more detail, but I think sufficiently pro features can’t really be made discoverable and it’s okay to have only the base functionality exposed. And I don’t think linux changes anything over that other than you being able to use a different desktop env/window manager. I have had my fair share with tiling wms and whatnot, but on linux I now default to Gnome. It is opinionated but I think that’s the job of a good wm.
Re:Nextspace: a desktop environment that brings a NeXTSTEP l... by daoismyname on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @04:09AM (#29549717)
> Could you sit in front of Blender, Microsoft Office, GIMP or Photoshop without previous knowledge of them and do anything at all with them?

yes

they have menus, especially GIMP, the ugliest of them all, but menus are everywhere just a right click away

but anyway you are in a familiar zone: every software is made that way, except, of course, Apple.

the problem with Apple is that they are trying to make every software look like a calendar or contact list application.

that's a pretty low bar for a standard UI and frankly it means they consider their users mentally challenged.