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Re:Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their ke... by tw04 on Monday December 13, 2021 @06:11PM (#29545972)
But the handle DOES open the door. It’s just at your feet, quite clearly marked, instead of physically on the door. It’s specifically there so that if you are in an accident you can still release the door. It’s designed With the idea the car will see a road course and is far superior to a handle on the door.

It’s sad he died but I found that handle in the first 5 minutes of owning my first corvette. It has a giant red picture of the door opening.

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Re:Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their ke... by Symbiote on Monday December 13, 2021 @07:06PM (#29546449)
When you're half dazed from a collision and the car is on fire, will your scared but unhurt 11 year old son know where this hidden lever is?

I did, on a 1980s car, since it was the normal door handle.

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Re:Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their ke... by tw04 on Monday December 13, 2021 @08:33PM (#29547085)
Hidden? It’s directly below where the “oh shit” handle is on the door, you need to move your hand less than 6” to pull it. Calling it hidden is completely misrepresenting reality. If my 7 year old knows where it is and insists on using it to open the door, I hope your 11 year old can figure it out.
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Re:Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their ke... by Symbiote on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @06:56AM (#29550696)
From [1], I see it's a discreet, black lever with a small picture of a door opening. It perhaps is about 6" away, but in a space almost always obscured by ones legs.

Emergency controls in vehicles with proper regulation look like this [2], so they can still be used in the dark, with smoke, etc.

[1] https://hhcorvettenewsletter.wordpress.com/2016/08/03/dont-l...

[2] https://railgallery.wongm.com/gold-coast-light-rail/F122_929...

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Re:Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their ke... by salawat on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @03:26AM (#29549483)
Principe of least surprise.

Humans expect tools to be at arm height. Do not work against natural assumptions. If you increase cognitive load, that's that much more attention diverted in a state where attention is already maxed out or otherwise in shortage.

It can be the difference between life and death.

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