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Re:What a progressive utopia does to outdoor dining by jjulius on Monday December 13, 2021 @05:51PM (#29545731)
Perhaps cities were initially planned with them in mind as opposed to in the US?
Re:What a progressive utopia does to outdoor dining by bowmessage on Monday December 13, 2021 @05:54PM (#29545772)
Ah, yes, all of those carefully-planned-out European cities that have been fully thought through before the first brick was laid...
Re:What a progressive utopia does to outdoor dining by inglor_cz on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @04:00AM (#29549679)
European cities are a mix of unplanned and thoroughly planned. High Middle Ages in more developed places already had some municipal bureaucracy and planning offices.

Take a look at Prague, for example. [0]

There is a chaotic maze of medieval streets in the Old Town (around the Astronomical Clock). But the New Town to the southeast, which was founded in 1348, is already much more regular; the king who founded it had a certain vision and the street grid reflects that vision. Interestingly, a mid 14-th century grid was able to accomodate some degree of car traffic of our modern era.

In case of Kraków [1], there isn't any unplanned corner of the city left, the grid in the Old Town is perfectly regular. This was designed around 1260, so a pretty old grid, but a planned city nonetheless.

[0] https://goo.gl/maps/1cz13fsr5tPP52AF9

[1] https://goo.gl/maps/CRkLPM9i7MRVH1aK8

Re:What a progressive utopia does to outdoor dining by wolverine876 on Monday December 13, 2021 @06:02PM (#29545868)
Many cities are planned. Paris was planned in the 19th century, after it had been around for millenia, and they tore stuff down and rebuilt it.
Re:What a progressive utopia does to outdoor dining by HarryHirsch on Monday December 13, 2021 @06:01PM (#29545844)
It's telling that there are people who have never experienced the result of proper town planning and conclude that town planning is an impossibility.
Re:What a progressive utopia does to outdoor dining by bowmessage on Monday December 13, 2021 @06:03PM (#29545881)
How so? My argument is the "initial planning" of many European cities never really happened. Plenty of planning has happened since, I'm sure!
Re:What a progressive utopia does to outdoor dining by jjulius on Monday December 13, 2021 @06:11PM (#29545969)
Remove "initial" from my original post and my point still stands; Europe planned for them at some point, the US didn't, and what the US did - to this article's point - doesn't lend itself to adapt to these parklets so readily.
Re:What a progressive utopia does to outdoor dining by talideon on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @12:07AM (#29548460)
Yes, in the '80s, '90s, and so on, after _decades_ of very car-centric planning.

The US needs to change how it does planning and learn from the experiences of other countries that actually took steps to become less car-centric.

Re:What a progressive utopia does to outdoor dining by TulliusCicero on Monday December 13, 2021 @10:48PM (#29547993)
More likely they inadvertently ‘planned’ for them by planning wide sidewalks that could be then be partially repurposed.
Re:What a progressive utopia does to outdoor dining by supertrope on Monday December 13, 2021 @06:01PM (#29545847)
Pre-car cities.
Re:What a progressive utopia does to outdoor dining by perl4ever on Monday December 13, 2021 @10:15PM (#29547772)
Obviously there are cities in the US built before cars, and a lot of Europe was rebuilt after cars existed, so quantifying the difference would be interesting.

The city I live in, in the northeastern US, started with no particular plan in the 1600s, and indeed, some of the streets were too narrow for cars.

In the late 1700s, a plan was laid out, whereby "the east–west streets were named for mammals while the north–south streets were named for birds".

The town I was born in, was founded in the 1660s. Probably not with a plan for the next 300 years.

Re:What a progressive utopia does to outdoor dining by ArnoVW on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @04:50AM (#29549946)
for those interested, I recently found this YT channel, run by a Canadian that moved around a lot and settled in the Netherlands. He goes into various urban planning issues, and breaks down some of the reasons why he thinks Dutch cities are more livable than US-ian.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0intLFzLaudFG-xAvUEO-A