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Re:Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells be... by randmeerkat on Sunday December 12, 2021 @07:02PM (#29535033)
It’s an interesting idea, but how would you measure happiness? For example coal pollutes, so at first glance maybe coal plants should get a negative happiness index. Then some plants close, and heating costs go up and people get cold because they can’t afford the electric heat in their homes. Are they happier without the coal? Would they be happier with the coal and the pollution? Does this solve the problem in a way that GDP measures can’t?
Re:Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells be... by Jedd on Sunday December 12, 2021 @07:36PM (#29535263)
> It’s an interesting idea, but how would you measure happiness?

This (the measuring, at least) is mostly a solved problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report

Re:Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells be... by randmeerkat on Sunday December 12, 2021 @07:47PM (#29535334)
> This (the measuring, at least) is mostly a solved problem.

I disagree. I’m familiar with the world happiness report. I don’t think that would be an adequate measurement to replace GDP with.

Re:Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells be... by ClumsyPilot on Sunday December 12, 2021 @10:09PM (#29536155)
"adequate measurement to replace GDP with"

There seems to be annunderlying assimption that GDP is a good meaurement?

In UK we had reduction of life expectancy, wages, trade and production of physical goods while GDP grew. The only sources of GDP growth seem to be never-ending rise of house prices and inequality.

Re:Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells be... by randmeerkat on Sunday December 12, 2021 @10:28PM (#29536281)
I’m not arguing that there aren’t problems with benchmarking society against GDP, there are. What I’m asking is, what is a better measurement? If it is something like happiness, then how do we quantify that in a meaningful way?
Re:Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells be... by ClumsyPilot on Sunday December 12, 2021 @10:31PM (#29536301)
Trying to reduce society to one number is pure folly, but if you had to pick one, it would have to be quality of life-based metrics, surely? We already use them in medicine.
Re:Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells be... by randmeerkat on Sunday December 12, 2021 @10:39PM (#29536354)
Sure, but the original comment that spawned this thread was comparing happiness and GDP.
Re:Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells be... by ganeshkrishnan on Sunday December 12, 2021 @10:14PM (#29536181)
Happiness is a direct co-relation to GDP. The growth of a civilization is directly as a result of GDP.

For example being in nature brings you happiness. BUT this is only in well developed countries and among people with enough wealth to live comfortably.

Money does not make you happy but it gives you much more opportunity to be happy.

Re:Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells be... by randmeerkat on Sunday December 12, 2021 @10:26PM (#29536266)
> Happiness is a direct co-relation to GDP. The growth of a civilization is directly as a result of GDP.

That’s actually not correct. By that argument the happiest country should be the United States as it has the largest GDP. However the United States ranks #19 on the World Happiness Report: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/happiest-...

Re:Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells be... by ganeshkrishnan on Monday December 13, 2021 @02:06AM (#29537439)
I should have been more specific: GDP per capita is one of the most important part of a person's happiness.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/gdp-vs-happiness

Chart above clearly shows that mostly increase in GDP results in higher life satisfaction.

Re:Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells be... by randmeerkat on Monday December 13, 2021 @06:28PM (#29546131)
> Chart above clearly shows that mostly increase in GDP results in higher life satisfaction.

That chart clearly shows a handful of countries happier than the US with less GDP per capita…

Re:Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells be... by xwdv on Sunday December 12, 2021 @08:08PM (#29535453)
If people can look and feel young for a very long time they will be very happy…
Re:Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells be... by throwaway984393 on Sunday December 12, 2021 @08:23PM (#29535532)
Older people are happier than younger people, pretty much every such survey confirms it. Young people don't appreciate their looks and health when they have it.
Re:Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells be... by randmeerkat on Sunday December 12, 2021 @09:24PM (#29535878)
I’m not sure about that, there’s been all sorts of studies about old people and loneliness. The loneliness is so bad it impacts their health: http://www.nia.nih.gov/news/social-isolation-loneliness-olde...

I would be genuinely surprised if older people are happier than younger people.

Re:Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells be... by ClumsyPilot on Sunday December 12, 2021 @10:11PM (#29536162)
Lonelyness seems to be a problem of social institutions rather than physical defficiency?
Re:Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells be... by randmeerkat on Sunday December 12, 2021 @10:30PM (#29536297)
I would argue that it’s neither, rather I believe that the issue is how society disproportionately worships youth.
Re:Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells be... by ClumsyPilot on Monday December 13, 2021 @05:52AM (#29538466)
"society disproportionately worships youth."

Does it really? The derision of millenials seems never ending, along with 'kids these days' and 'back in my days'.

Re:Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells be... by randmeerkat on Monday December 13, 2021 @01:47PM (#29542860)
There is an endless amount of hate for millennials unfortunately. However, just because an older generation is hating on millennials doesn’t mean that society as a whole doesn’t place a greater value on youth. While this example is anecdotal it kind of drives home some of the problems I feel that we have in society.

“Soya told the TV programme Getsuyou Kara Yofukashi (Sitting Up Late From Monday) that he had wanted to increase his presence on social media and believed people would prefer to see a "younger beautiful woman" rather than an old "uncle".”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56447357

Re:Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells be... by randmeerkat on Sunday December 12, 2021 @08:14PM (#29535489)
I don’t disagree, but I’m not sure how this relates to measuring GDP vs measuring happiness.