Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by mercy_dude on Friday December 10, 2021 @10:33AM (#29511050)

My point is the way founding fathers envisioned first amendment protection, they never foresaw the rise of a small billionaires oligarchs owning large stake of media and newspapers to promote views favouring their narratives. I am not speaking of first amendment of individuals which I think is also under attack by the same group of people, look how the mainstream media would love to cancel certain people they don’t like.

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Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by ceejayoz on Friday December 10, 2021 @10:37AM (#29511101)

The idea that people who lived in a time of tarring-and-feathering people couldn't anticipate cancel culture is a bit silly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Brown_(loyalist)

> Brown requested the liberty to hold his own opinions, saying that he could "never enter into an Engagement to take up arms against the Country which gave him being", and finally met their demands with pistol and sword. The crowd seized him and struck him with the butt of a musket, fracturing his skull. Taken prisoner, he was tied to a tree where he was roasted by fire and scalped before being tarred and feathered. Brown was then carted through a number of nearby settlements and forced to verbally pledge himself to the Patriot cause before being released. This mistreatment resulted in the loss of two toes and lifelong headaches.

Cancelling someone is also known as freedom of association.

edit: Media stirring shit up was a thing pre-Revolution, too, including at least two Founding Fathers participating themselves! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Massacre#Media_battle

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Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by njarboe on Friday December 10, 2021 @02:34PM (#29514443)

What I find inspiring about the Boston massacre is that founding father, John Adams, defended the British soldiers involved in it and doing so did not prevent him from becoming president in the future. The values of the electorate were quite a bit different in those days and really are knowing about and emulating the better parts.

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Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by kodah on Saturday December 11, 2021 @01:55AM (#29519056)

> Cancelling someone is also known as freedom of association

Personally, I don't care that it's age old. It's still not okay, and I don't care whether it's better or worse in modern times. I'm not even sure how far outside of propaganda some of this stuff falls, which ironically has the opposite reception from the public.

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Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by ceejayoz on Saturday December 11, 2021 @10:25AM (#29521473)

It's not OK to choose not to hang out with someone because you've heard they did something shitty?

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Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by kodah on Saturday December 11, 2021 @10:41AM (#29521604)

You can absolutely make a personal choice. The moment that you start tricking yourself into thinking that narrative manipulation, harassment, trolling, stalking, etc to get others to make that same personal choice are part of some high moral stance is what people get angry at cancel culture about. There is quite a distinction.

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Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by ceejayoz on Saturday December 11, 2021 @11:00AM (#29521791)

I can’t use my free speech to encourage someone to make the same choice?

Trying to conflate “cancel culture” with the already-illegal concepts of stalking and harassment is disingenuous. Trolling and “narrative manipulation” are pretty clear protected free expression.

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Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by kodah on Saturday December 11, 2021 @11:07AM (#29521856)

I don't really get your point about free speech. That's a government protection. What I am talking about is the tendency of mobs to act as conduits of misinformation and abuse while projecting some form of morality en masse. It teeters on being more harmful than the thing they're mobbing about, typically.

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Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by joshuamorton on Friday December 10, 2021 @12:08PM (#29512325)

Not to mention fairly regular extrajudicial lynchings. The rule of law is respected far more today than it was in the 1770s.

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Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by dragonwriter on Friday December 10, 2021 @02:04PM (#29514037)

> My point is the way founding fathers envisioned first amendment protection, they never foresaw the rise of a small billionaires oligarchs owning large stake of media and newspapers to promote views favouring their narratives.

The founders largely were oligarchs, heirs of oligarchs, or married into the families of oligarchs,and certainly were not people to whom the idea of someone, or some group, within that class investing heavily in media to promote their political ideas would be surprising.

> look how the mainstream media would love to cancel certain people they don’t like.

Both before and after independence, political cancel culture in the early US involved much more forceful, and often permanent and total, cancellation than what is complained about today.

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Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by munificent on Friday December 10, 2021 @01:38PM (#29513702)

That sounds to me like a problem with the existence of billionaire oligarchs and not a problem with the first amendment.

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Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by 8note on Friday December 10, 2021 @01:56PM (#29513942)

the founding fathers were those oligarchs for their time

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Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by austhrow743 on Friday December 10, 2021 @04:51PM (#29515881)

That journalists and individuals have separate first amendment rights guaranteed by the constitution is a lie created by the same mainstream media you’ve lost faith in.

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